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This blog is an effort to investigate and expose the errors of fact, distortions, and incorrect statements contained in the conspiracy theorist documentary film Thrive as well as assertions made on the “Thrive Movement” website and by Thrive Movement supporters.
The central argument of the movie Thrive is that technology and processes allowing so-called “free” energy exist and are being suppressed by various conspiratorial forces. As I hope this blog will demonstrate, this central assertion, as well as many others made in the Thrive movie, cannot withstand objective scrutiny from the standpoint of factual analysis or logical reasoning.
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- - March 23, 2012
Thank you for all the work on this site. It is very important.
You, and the Oil Companies, Nuclear power companies, etc…., are right.
This movie really hit a nerve, yeah?
You’re pretty much right.
Still it’s not the film that pisses me off (hat tip to the guy who’s making a living by selling it to the “believers”), but the number of my friends who blindly believe, and then they try convince me by “arguing”, i.e. citing the author.
*hits his desk angrily*
ATTILA AT LEAST WITH THRIVE THERE IS AN ACTUAL AUTHOR . THIS BLOG DOES NOT HAVE AN AUTHOR. ALL COMMENTS ARE CHECKED BEFORE POSTED WITH AN HONER SYSTEM ON WHETHER OR NOT HE/SHE/IT POSTS UP THE INFORMATION…I THINK YOU HAVE MISSED OUT ON SOME CRITICAL THINKING YOURSELF….
Sonya there is nothing left to say other than you are a fucking idiot.
Foster Gamble made a beautiful movie, and I am amazed how this became a movie for conspiracy in your version. I am also surprised that the maker of THRIVE DEBUNKED blog is unwilling to stand up and use your true name and background behind this elaborate accusation.
So who cares what you say or publish here? What credibility do you bring to the table?
How can a movie that alleges government conspiracies about UFOs, crop circles, and free energy suppression, and which incorporates figures like David Icke, not be viewed as a conspiracy movie? Indeed, the movie is almost nothing but conspiracy theories, one false theory piled on top of another.
Who cares what I say or publish here? You, for one; you took the time to make a comment expressing your opinion.
The problem with your “debunking” is there is nothing that you have said that proves that any of Mr. Gamble’s theories are incorrect, you have simply stated your own personal beliefs and theories based on things you have read and/or heard. We know who he is, where he comes from and how he came to his conclusions. As for you? I guess we should just take your word for it. Your so angry…why?
You did not answer what credibility you have. What makes you all knowing on this matter.?
one false theory piled on top of another.
I am surprised that you, as a History major, use presumption as the basis of your argument. From that I can so far myself, as to presume that your entire conception of reality is a presumption & not factual at all.
Again I would strongly suggest you read David Bohm & Fritoj Capra.
I am surprised that you, in 15 comments (and counting), haven’t offered a single substantive factual critique backed up with evidence to explain why I’m wrong or why you think your delusions of a “Global Domination Agenda” are correct. All you’ve done is read my Twitter, post some things about it and posit that it totally explains my worldview, why I oppose Thrive and what I believe in. You suggest some vague New Age feel-good books but you haven’t offered a single fact or a single piece of evidence that indicates I’m wrong. Your entire argument is that I’m somehow doing wrong by criticizing Thrive because the people who made it have good intentions. Well, gee whiz, I have good intentions too, but I don’t see anyone here, including my supporters, arguing that my good intentions should immunize me for criticism on my facts.
So, do you or do you not have a concrete factual objection to something I’ve posted? If so, what is it, and what is your reliable, testable and verifiable evidence in support of your assertion? Please be as specific as possible. Thank you.
“missy says : February 12, 2012 at 11:49 am
The problem with your “debunking” is there is nothing that you have said that proves that any of Mr. Gamble’s theories are incorrect, you have simply stated your own personal beliefs and theories based on things you have read and/or heard.”
Missy, did you even go look at the photos that prove that Trombly was showing pictures of another inventor’s device when he was making his wild claims? And now he has been forced to admit it and the photos were taken off the Thrive website…but other pirated photos are still there.
Theories don’t exactly matter when you are flat out lying about the facts, now do they???? Stop worrying about opinions when the reality is right in front of you that they LIED. Even if I agreed with all of their theories, I would not want liars on my side. How about you? Some of their points are valid, but their lies only serve to discredit the truth along with the lies. Think, girl, think.
Clearly, adding his/her name would be a game changer, huh?
I think that if anyone who does responsible research on a topic whether it is arguing for or against something, why aren’t you putting your name on it. After all, it’s credible work right?
I so agree with those who insist you Identify yourself, and give us your credentials. Who are you to opine you are more believable than those you debunk? Personally, I think you are wrong anyway. Go away!!
I must say I certainly agree with you Niki…..I have asked this same question as I have listened to Nassim Haramein speak and accept questions; I also know he has published some articles with an Elizabeth Rausch (if I have spelled that correct) and if one has concerns about him, they certainly can’t about her as she has an incredible bio, worked for NASA, the US government for over 30 yrs, down work at Berkeley University etc). Now if someone like Elizabeth is involved with Nassim, I have to wonder who are these blog founders that take questin with him?
I agree. Most people who are critical of conspiracy in general do not realise how much they are operating on programming. An unwillingness (due to fear and or this programming) causes us all to fail to see what we are really up against. To make a logical argument without all the facts/truth (that is seldom revealed in an elite controlled education/media system) is to fail at the first hurdle. Crap in crap out is the formula sadly. This is where people need to free themselves from the restricted thinking and memes (of the order “Witch”, of which provided much control of dissident forces in the past). This is not to say that this movie is correct 100% in every assertion, but the general principles of control and suppression are at work and have been for some time. The authors of this blog are merely playing convenient games and do not offer proper analysis of what they are disagreeing upon. Debunking is a cheap trick, following truth is much harder, but will be worth it in the end.
In general I agree with your good work. However this comment about your anonimity is interesting. The name MUERTOS saunds macabre to me.
stil I find it alarming that some of my smart and well aducated friends sometimes astonish me in how easely they believe conspiracie stories. Isn’t it more interesting to start investigating or analising this phenominon instead of trying to debunk all of these stories one by one?
Thanks for your comment. Yes, it’s unfortunate the low threshold at which people start to believe material such as this, which I think portends an unsettling lack of critical thinking out there on the web. As to my name, “Muertos” has been my handle on the net for 12 years now, so I don’t see that changing.
you ain’t very opened to chenge. if you look at your name, the fact that you didn’t change it for twelwe years , “you said it” and it should tell you kinda live in a box. cheers! take care and pay more attention to yourself. thank you
For those who don’t know Muertos means THE DEAD in Spanish or THE LIFELESS. I think that this is a subconscious admission to the blog writer’s actual spiritual state.
His real name is “Sean M.” & he is most definitely bias against “conspiracies”. He goes to the University of Oregon. Got accepted to George Mason University.
He is into heavy metal music, all things Norwegian, hates Ron Paul, loves Joe Biden, loves to drink, loves notorious hate-monger anti-religion critic Andreas Heldal-Lund, loves pro-centrla bank Alexander Hamilton, is into pro-zionist leaders like UK PM Cameron & Israeli PM Netanyahu & President Obama, likes atheist comic Sarah Silverman but surprisingly enough likes the Dalai Lama.
That should all of you what you need to know about this cat. Though to his credit he has very good taste in food & wine. Cooks & drinks the way I do so he can’t be 100% bad, just misguided.
Wow. You read my Twitter. What a magnificent piece of detective work! Now you’ve got me totally figured out. There’s nothing more to know about me, nothing at all. I’ll just go ahead and delete this blog then, m’kay?
I can’t find any details as to who you are on this blog. Unfortunately that discredits you somewhat. Be great to have a bio, some regular podcasts, etc so that people know you are a real person and not just a paid troll.
I am aware that Foster Gamble has used the term “government troll” or “paid troll” to refer to critics of the Thrive movie. I challenge him, or anyone, to present a single shred of evidence that the government is paying people to criticize his movie.
In the FAQ, I address the issue of whether I’m paid to write this blog (the answer is, no, I’m not).
Muertos, i have exchanged some correspondence with an interviewee from Thrive regarding his experience during and after dealing with the movie. I would like to share that conversation with you without showing the public. How is the best way while protecting both our contact info? Sorry for posting in a thread—not sure how else to contact.
Thank you for your suggestions. I may change the title but not the link, as the link has already gone out on Twitter, Facebook etc. Let me think about the best way to word it.
Please email me directly at muertos@gmail.com. I won’t disclose anything that you specifically ask me to keep private.
You address that you are not paid. But this cannot be substantiated without us knowing who you are, in any way. As far as we know, you are simply Muertos… a cartoon face with no photograph or picture. If you claim to know so much about this film, and as you are spending so much time debunking it, then I think it’s time to take off your mask so that we can study you as closely as you are studying Foster, who has been nothing other than open and transparent in terms of laying out who he is and what he thinks. Only when this happens can I start to seriously look into what you have written. I urge you to take off the mask and uncover your REAL identity.
Check out Cointelpro. Start with the Andrew Marr interview of Noam Chomsky its on Google and You tube.
Critisism of the present system is srtill allowed so lets talk about the Federal Reserve, The revolving door of Washington and Wall street and money in politics what chomsky calls the Shadow of Corporate business ( I.e Politics).
The thrive Movie the zeitgeist movie The Money Masters,Catherine Austin Fittts, Solaris report. Inside Job. Golem xiv blog of David Malone , Author The Debt Generation.
Conspiracy Theories are totally unnecessary to demonstrating the problems with our current broken Financial and political system.
The occupy Movement and the work of grass rroots local media such as Kboo in Oregan check out Steppin out of Babylon interviews across so many issues by Sue Cipriano.
Google can be your freind if you make a framework for understanding some of the issues addressed in movies such as Thrive. Consider the questions asked the questions do not disappear by branding the questioner a denier or a non believer a flat earther or Tin Foil hatter.
This sort of arguemntis familiar with anyone that has considered the climate change debate ( The Anthropogenic part?) this is science and politics not Church. Read some philosophy try several different flavours and learn to thuink critically.
Should the Fed be private is there an alternative money system to ‘dent based Fiat money. Thats a question worth asking and exploring how the present system might be omproved if it turns out that it is closer to the best available system.
The business of Debunking and promulgating consopiracy theoruies ios a silly distraction from the issues the issues are real. Peak Oil, ALternative Energy, Tjhe theory of the Electric Universe, Modern Monetary Theory, Maurice Cotteral on Gravity ,
I am not anonymous my comment is linked to my gravatar which has many links to interesting and credible viewpoints. Ask questions and check and double check answers always read the talk sectiion behind Wikipedia articles, just for fun check out Media lens or Aljezehra for their version of what you see on your TV news or in your Newspaper.
Think for yourself and find out about these different things don’t let some one else tell you what to think!
VD Havre I did you the service of finding that out for you a wee bit; look at my post “KX Russell says : April 7, 2012 at 7:41 am”
I posted some details on my KX Russell says : April 7, 2012 at 7:41 am post….
In recent studies,Christian scientists, non-religious scientists,and Theologists have concluded that,utilizing the bible and its many references throughout history and its list of Adam&Eve’s descendants that mankind must be no more than 12,000 yrs old.Why is it that we’ve found fossils of men from 13,000+ yrs old? C. Dating isnt completely accurate, but there are fossils 100,000+ yrs old.
I’m not trying to debunk any religions,or prove science completely right,but this does bring up an interesting question to those who take the Bible literally.Obviously, most stories in the Bible are not supposed to be taken literally,but instead just pose with a moral background.Religion,in a lot of ways,gives simplified answers to those really sticky questions.But the fact is we fight with rage over who is right and wrong is just completely barbaric.Religion should just thrive to get us to be better ppl,help each other out,and feel secure in life.Simple as that.
How old is mankind?NOT the EARTH
While not a bible reader, I do agree it offers a process toward morality. As to the history of humans, I could believe that we were visited from another galaxy. I could see the Immaculate Conception due to an alien impregnation.
Knowing the lack of current technology, the star could represent a spaceship.
We know that ancient cultures followed and revered and feared the sun, moon, planets, comets, etc..
References in Vedic texts, Dead Sea scrolls, the Koran, etc. indicate that something came out of the sky. A meteor doesn’t bring visitors. Hieroglyphics, cave drawings including Aboriginal art indicate meetings with other beings. Add to that,places like Stonehenge and Easter Island and we have a complexity that still baffles today.
bull shit bag of crap like i said everything is bulshit today i can’t trust myself snezing because of the fear that i might shit miself. scarcity tell ya sum? every piece of shit movie/documentary/video/cartoon its there because you fear and you crave them you degenerates sick. thank you bless you all
I am a recent viewer of THRIVE and a grateful proponent of Foster’s message. Nonetheless like a good academic I like to see through both lens of the binoculars and so thus read the majority of your blog. Here are my two cents: Believing in the incredible, inasmuch as it might be easy to credibly debunk Gamble’s theories according to your personal suppositions are still unfavorable towards instilling gratefulness and motivation. I would suggest you might bravely reconsider seeing the facts for the future and rely rather on your intuitive powers by meditating more…..then maybe a realization will dawn on your deathly name. You see Muerte, you completely missed the point of the film. Regardless of its contents, where are your personal discoveries, illuminations and actions to embolden our humanities terribly misconstrued notions perpetrated by mass media’s mystique of falsity? Please, open up that calcified heart by at least putting any dubiousness on the back shelf for a bit so as to seek the actual truth, hard to find that it might be. Knowledge is not wisdom, but as close as you are to seeing through the delusional cloak, first there is amble room to perhaps meet Foster and have him personally explain directly why much of his life has been spent unveiling, explaining and now broadcasting an amazing message, no less soon to be realized. I can recommend reading David Wilcock’s very relevant information. blessings and peace….you are not far from uncoiling more than you think is out there.
Observing reactions of Thrive fans to this blog, it is interesting to me how people who claim to be all about love and understanding suddenly start becoming awfully judgmental as soon as you don’t agree with the conspiracies that they advance as true. So I have a “calcified heart” because I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, then?
As for sitting down with Foster Gamble, I’d love to do exactly that. I’d like to ask him where he got some of the erroneous information in his film that he proffers as matters of fact, and if he can really feel good about maintaining that certain matters are factual (such as the ludicrous “Global Domination Agenda”) despite the evidence and logic that indicates they are not true, and the corrosive effect that such conspiracy theories have on critical thinking and reasoned public discourse. More than anything else, that is the conversation I’d love to have with Mr. Gamble.
Thank you for your comment.
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Interesting blog, looks like you have a lot of good points to counter this movie. It would make since that there are, dare I say it, conspirators out there with the sole purpose of releasing material to thwart the efforts of honest people who attempt to awaken others to some of the more accurate problems in our world, and make them all seem like “conspiracy nut jobs.”
However, I would like to know your position on a few things:
1) The GAO audit of the Federal Reserve (the first ever audit of the Fed) found that the Fed loaned out over $16 trillion dollars to US banks, and numerous foreign banks, at 0 interest in the span of 3 years (2007-10).
2) The $600 trillion dollar derivatives bubble (or $700 trillion.. or even over a Quadrillion.. depends on where you look). And the fact that these derivatives are mostly owned by 4 US banks.
3) The (suppressed?) history of inventor Nikola Tesla (who invented the radio, laser, light bulb, as well as free energy devices according to some).
I ask these things because I think it is of vital importance that you admit that there really are some seriously major issues that reveal what appears to be a very high levels of corruption within our current government and corporate power structures.
I will myself admit that I have not looked at your entire website, and if you have already answered some of these questions, I apologize.
Thanks for your comment. Quoting figures on the Federal Reserve or alleging government corruption does not make the conspiracy theories advanced by Foster Gamble any more likely. Since you haven’t seen the entire site, I would suggest you start with this article which may be responsive to these issues: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/global-domination-agenda-debunked/
As to your claim that there are “conspirators” out there thwarting the “efforts of honest people,” please provide a specific example of this, as well as documentation to back up your assertion. Please be specific.
I think I’ve posted this elsewhere but I just wanted to reiterate: really great job on this website! You’re so thorough and calm — unlike my initial reaction upon seeing the film, which was to boil over in anger. (Anger at having a message I believe in sullied by New Age/pseudoscientific pablum. With friends like these….)
Anyway, you’re efforts are much appreciated.
Do you believe that humanity deserves a better way of life, than what is being offered to us now?
This is just my opinion, but I think those that are “well off” could give a rats hoot about the average or low class person. Could this be what spikes the conspiracist vs non-conspiracist “battle”? I have seen this lower class be labelled as having no work drive, or as hippies, lazy, etc. Now I have busted my ass off working, having had 2 jobs for most of my working career thus far. I have even went to college to “better myself” and get that good paying job. Where has this led me? Being broke, in debt and asking myself “What is the point if I cant even enjoy life?” Honestly, movies like Thrive give me hope. Even if you or whoever else doesn’t believe in crop circles ( I do think there are things that have to be seen in order to believe it) or 9/11 being rigged, etc, the big picture is being missed. Look at the end goal Thrive is trying to reach. Sustainability (solar panels, wind power, this is somewhat “free energy” isnt it?), people being HAPPY.
Sometimes I think maybe the myths about 2012 (the world ending) should just happen. We are all so greedy, so cruel to each other. Just look at this blog or any other blog and there is always criticizing, condemning, name calling. I believe a lot of this roots from stress. That is why Im saying to look at the big picture. Get rid of the stress. Anyone who cares to respond, please remember this is just my opinion. Each to their own.
P.S. Ive seen in previous posts you ask for examples. This is mine.
Long story short, going to school put me in severe debt. I went to my bank and asked for a loan, basically to consolidate my credit and make my monthly payments more affordable, which makes perfect sense, to me at least. What does the bank tell me? I am too “high risk” and they cant give me a loan. Even though I hold a steady, full time job. Why? Because I don’t make enough money (even though I would clearly be able to afford the new monthly payment). So who is in control of establishing the wages and why isn’t it high enough to cover the minimal cost of living? On one side we have a hard working, good hearted person making $1500/month (if even for some) and other the other we also have a hard working, good hearted person making $10,000/month. Doesn’t make sense to me.
Good blogs by the way. Some good discussions have been started.
I am sorry for your economic hardship. Most people have some form of economic hardship these days. I certainly do, as do most people I know. However, why should this translate into belief in paranoid conspiracy theories?
Please tell me, what “hope” does Thrive provide? I see Thrive’s message as essentially nihilistic, bleak, and demoralizing. Here is what Thrive is attempting to teach its audience:
–Human beings are too backwards and stupid to create anything magnificent or lasting, like the pyramids. Therefore, aliens must have done it.
–Human beings are too stupid and greedy to solve their own problems. Therefore, aliens will rescue us with magical technology that drops out of the sky without us having to do anything.
–People have no responsibility or consequences for their actions. Pursuing heedless self-interest, as advocated by the objectivist and Libertarian political thinkers that Foster Gamble enshrines as visionaries, will transform the world into a magic utopia.
–People have no responsibility to each other or to the common good. Taxes are theft; government is inherently evil; there is no such thing as a social contract or a community spirit to reach social justice. It’s all about unbridled, unfettered self-interest.
–Everything that is wrong with the world is the fault of someone named Rockefeller, Rothschild or Morgan.
Do you really think these are hopeful, positive messages? Do you really think that belief in conspiracy theories, and fostering hatred of people who supposedly created these situations, is a viable blueprint for a better world? Instead of believing in conspiracy theories and hating people who supposedly create them, why don’t we use logic, reason and rationality to reach our own solutions to improve the quality of life for people on this planet? Why do we have to believe in paranoid conspiracies, magical technology and benevolent aliens in order to embrace hope and work toward positive solutions?
He, who speaks and judges,while hidding his or her identity is actually only making meaningless noise..
Something like Anonymous.
Greetz.
In a matter of minutes, I went from a hopeful but uninformed believer ( why not ? ) to remembering that all shared information must be analyzed with intelligent discernment.
Thank you for the wake up call. Who are you?
cheers for this site. clears up everything that they dont in thrive. got me thinking straight again after a week of thinking ive been lied to.
could u please check this site and tell me if this this is bullshit aswell, as i am not much of a researcher.
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/08/10/121755_local-business-news.html
I don’t know. I’ll look into that article, as I’ve never heard of that machine before now. I suspect there’s more to the story than the article is telling us, but I’ll look into it when I get a chance.
cool. deep down i hope the story is true,being australian and all, but it just sounds way to good to be true.
there are dozens of issues..all are important to one degree or another, especially to those most directly affected. One issue, debt, affects us all either directly or indirectly…the national debt is our debt…not the government’s…you and i pay endlessly on the public debt…15 trillion and growing like kudzu !
Criminal bankstards bribed the third private “central” bank into parasitic existence in1913. The criminal syndicate,aka the fed, was deceitfully named the federal reserve bank association to fool the then public into thinking that this private counterfeiting cartel was, in fact, part of the u s government. The IRS was also foisted on our forbears to collect taxes to pay for this wealth confiscation fiasco..
The fed counterfeits dollars and loansharks the notes to us via the complicit treasury ..gov”t throws the money away…then you pay….
Fed counterfeits and loansharks bux to gov”t…gov”t spends/wastes bux…gov”t comes to you to pay for the bux….plus vig !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If gov”t printed american dollars , that egregious $15 TRILLION PLUS debt would not exist!!!!!!!!!! We would not be paying income taxes that never get closer to paying down the debt…the citizens’ debt. ..your and my debt…
The argument in favor of this ginormous ripoff goes like this: “oh, if we let gov’t print the dollars, we would have inflation!” good grief….the fed prints dollars. ..the fed is answerable to no one..nobody..no agency ..the fed prints trillions whenever it feels like it…and we don’t have inflation now? “oh no” say the sleeple..”house prices have fallen way down”…………to which i reply that yes house prices went up in a bubble and dropped back somewhat but are still above 1970 prices…food costs more than prior years…gas cost 25c in 1956 now it is $3.50 / gallon..
The national debt is strangling us. .richest nation on earth and our economy is tanking…if we don’t stop the criminal families who own the fed, the other issues won’t matter much..supply chains break down….services vanish…jungle law ensues….
Search how to abolish the fed and play that clip…
End the fed…end 10% fractional reserve banking..demand public / single payor campaign financing….SET UP A STATE OWNED BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who are YOU? I think this is an interesting topic but no where on this site do you indicate “WHO YOU ARE” in writing this? I know who the THRIVE people bios are and I have actually heard Nassim speak so I have a face and open opportunity to question his ideas……but who are you and what are your bios for reference. Thank you for your blog!
First of all, let me introduce myself. My father is Adam Trombly. I was physically present for many of the 11 years that my father worked daily with David Farnsworth. I answered the phone at my home when David would call at least once a day to have “conversations” with my father that were obviously very intense and technical and that from my end definitely did not sound “one-sided.” I was physically present when David Farnsworth showed up at our family home and stayed for over a week to work on projects with my father. David came to our family home after returning from a trip with my father where they did physical demonstrations of the Piezo Ringing Resonance Generator in New York before a speech my father gave at the United Nations, and in Washington DC at the Senate Banking and Finance Committee Hearing Room. That was June of 1989. The demonstrations were real and well received.
When I was touring Colleges in the Pacific Northwest with my father in 1995, we stopped by David Farnsworth’s in-law’s home in Forest Grove, Oregon where David Farnsworth tearfully apologized in person to my father at the dinner table in front of his ex-wife, and his in-laws. He apologized for abusing his relationship with my father, and not giving proper credit to my father, and he apologized for never sending the instruments that he was supposed to share with my father. David said that half of the equipment that he had in his possession should be with my father and he was sorry he had not sent it. He asked for forgiveness and asked for my father to work with him again. He asked me to be a witness of this conversation.
The claims that David Farnsworth is making are false. His contention that he and my father never worked together is absolutely a lie. David Farnsworth and my father Adam Trombly appeared numerous times side by side as partners on CNN and in numerous business negotiations and physical demonstrations of their technologies. David Farnsworth is a brilliant engineer, but paranoid– perhaps as a result of his substance abuse problems which I have witnessed with my own eyes. At one time he disclosed using crystal meth while I was standing in his motorhome/lab. David Farnsworth is not representing the facts correctly. His lies are an insult to my father’s work and legacy. This blog is an insult to a lifetime of work dedicated to providing the world with a clean and safe source of energy. This attack does not serve anyone’s future. I would be happy to testify to all of the above information in a court of law. In fact, I am considering calling my lawyer after reading this!
The last time I spoke with David Farnsworth he called me directly when I was College and he asked me for money because he couldn’t afford to pay the rent at the trailer park where his motor home was parked.
Please remove these lies from the internet and provide my father with an apology!
J., thank you for your comment. As I stated in my article reporting the allegations, my purpose is not to adjudicate either the truth or falsity of Mr. Farnsworth’s claims on this blog. I cannot do that. As you’ll see in that article I have invited your father to comment on these matters and in fact I encourage him to do so. Whatever he chooses to say, I’ll gladly post here, without redaction or editing of any kind. He certainly has a right to refute these allegations and I hope he does. I have also invited him to present evidence that proves beyond all doubt that the machines he claims to have invented actually work, that he and not Mr. Farnsworth created them, and that they do exactly what the movie Thrive claims that they do. I’m more than happy to present that evidence in its entirety here on this blog. I’ve been very clear and open about that and I don’t know how to be fairer regarding that than I already have.
I won’t deny that I am a skeptic of “free energy” and “zero point energy,” and of most of the claims presented in Thrive. However, being skeptical of something is not doing wrong to anyone–in fact, it’s a positive good. My position regarding these claims has always been the same: show me the evidence. If these claims can be proven, let’s prove them beyond all doubt. Prove that my skeptical attitude is unwarranted and incorrect. I’ll be very glad to admit I’m wrong, because frankly I hope that I am. If your father has invented a device that can solve the world’s energy problems in one fell swoop, I certainly won’t stand in the way of that device being proven, replicated and the technology disseminated to the people who need it. If your father can prove that his machine works, not only will I not stand in the way of him doing so, but I’ll help him. But the key is that it must be proven. On matters of this importance we can’t afford to just take anyone’s word for it–not Mr. Farnsworth’s, not your father’s, not Foster Gamble’s, and not mine.
Nice try, Adam, trolling as your own daughter. But we are still waiting for your responses to the Ten Questions that Foster Gamble posed to both you and David Farnsworth. David’s responses are published on this blog here, though at another location which I link you to here.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/exclusive-allegations-about-adam-trombly-present-potential-credibility-crisis-for-thrive/
Muertos is more than happy to put your responses to the ten questions up alongside the answers that David Farnsworth has already provided.
I do not go so far as Hollywood does here–J., I take you at your word that you’re Adam Trombly’s son or daughter. My offer stands. I’m willing to publicize whatever response Adam Trombly wishes to make to these allegations. I invite him to present his evidence here that either proves Farnsworth wrong, verifies the claims about the machine in Thrive, or both. I really would like to have Adam Trombly’s input for the sake of a complete picture of what’s really going on here. Again, if I was only interested in trashing Thrive or Mr. Trombly, I would have nothing to gain by making this offer, and Mr. Trombly would have nothing to lose by accepting it.
If there is a more classic admission of guilt, I’m not sure I have ever read it.
When you are caught with no facts on your side, and no reply that cannot be easily proven false, then you change the subject and resort to personal attacks.
Farnsworth laid out factual and technical corrections to what was shown in the movie – they reply with mudslinging. Foster, are you reading this??? Is this not exactly what I told all of you they would do if in fact they are in the wrong??? {head slap on desk}
Even the “facts” above are regurgitated straight out of The Little Green Book by James George, and at his age he did not bother to get all of his dates correct; instead of referencing the Congressional Record, he just wrote the book from memory.
This is not even a good try at a response. But it is a wonderful admission.
is this not something of a distraction. Cause and effect and all of that. Return to the core issues the dialectic here reveals to us that a machine was presented to Congress it had energy advantages the development of the machine was for what ever reason obstructed by government agencies.
@rogerglewis The problem is, when something is presented mixed with lies, it discredits the truth that it might also contain. If Thrive is not interested in being accurate, their entire film is in question. However, there are real devices out there – but this is going to make it even LESS likely that they will ever reach the public. Correcting those errors is crucial, and Foster should know that. Where’s the integrity?
On Pure energy systems and their suppression it seems that the Burning of Nikola Telsas Laboratory wasn’t ordered by JP Morgan? why would he do that afterall he didn’t have a virtual monopoly on Copper in the US did he?
http://pesn.com/2012/03/22/9602060_E-Cat_Weekly_March22/
On other suppressed or marginalized difficult to patent stuff this guy is very good value.
https://www.facebook.com/hemp.org
With respect to FInance Government and other issues Foster Gamble highlights as important, there are a number of widely based sources in links on my Gravatar.
Economania the Mensa economics portal is a great non political and intellectual analysis of the money creation system of Debt Based Fiat Money. Altenratives to the highly centralised and global model of business and government are postulated by sites like Government by Contract or Panarchy based on the Swiss Canton Model.
http://en.gravatar.com/rogerglewis
Switzerland and free energy one must obviously mention.
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/methnith.htm
The metaphysical and the empirical are viewpoints on life the universe and everything for those interested in the Aesthetic or Romantic take philosophically google Matthew Arnold or John Ruskin for the Empirical view take a look at Hobbes or Locke.
Empiricism in short provides explanations but not always reasons and it is reason that sets the human being apart from other animals ( so the reasoning goes.) It is in our reason that our Souls and virtue reside and a search for authentic truth within ourselves and the search for the good life and the problem of knowledge are the stuff of Ontology and epistemology.
Dare to Know?
This is a very good introduction to Zero Point energy for those interested.
Has anyone got a link to a good site debunking the Large Hadron Collider at CERN.
Hi Non Fiction, I read Mr Gambles reply to the correspondents or disputants on the machine in the thrive film, I thought it seemed very reasonable.
Popularist films such as Thrive or Zeitgiest or the Money Masters or The Secrets of OZ even Chomskys Manufacturing Consent can not and will never provide a complete ordered package prodcut of what we could call the truth of the matter. There is in effect no such thing as an absolute applicable to all situations there are al’ways the situations we can not concieve of, its the Truth Knopwledege Belief Venn Diagram. When Rhetoric or political interests are presented through rhetoric comes into play looking for an authentic dialectic pursuit of a common experience or reality in a situation requires open communication and an open mind. Always an open mind. thats very important, we live in a world of constructs some are conviemnient others are not constructive to everyones interests.
Of its sort I found Thrive a worthy FIlm with authenticity and honesty thats not to say I agree woith all of its conclusions.
Nice to be chatting must fly getting Children off to School.
I found it quite the opposite. I am more inclined to find that it lacks honesty than to disagree with all of the conclusions. There is no reason to show pirated photos, credit the wrong inventors, or make wild inaccurate claims about devices. I do have an open mind, just not one that has fallen out. I see how this kind of behavior affects the real alternative energy scientists, and therefore it is part of the problem.
Hi Non Fiction,
We pays our money and takes our choice I suppose.
On alternative energy there is a lot of ignorance and sometimes one could be forgiven for wondering where are the Woods and where are the trees, the idea of something being hidden in plain sight is very rleevant to a lot of these issues. I like Noam Chomsky’s idea of creating a framework within which one can look for the necessary connections to give context to ideas and concepts.
I started researching transplanting an Electric motor into my own vehicle yesterday inspired by this article in Gizmag.
http://www.gizmag.com/coda-delivers-first-cars/21888/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=3e6204fb75-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
It reminded me of this Sue Cipriano Interview.
http://www.suesupriano.com/article.php?&id=143
On questions of Truth and Science, lies damned lies and statistics we live in the age of spin sadly we ignore the most impiortant spin of all a Giant Magnet tilted at 23 degrees in a vast electrical field we call it the Earth?
The Electronic universe is I think an idea who’s time may have come it is not popular as it is not possible to put a meter on it. Ruskin posed the question of the Doctor confronted with the Pamnacea of all ills today we say Turlkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
Good luck and heres showing solidarity to the Alternative Energy Scientists, Inventors, Alchemists, Nut Jobs , Dreamers and Visionaries out there. Dare to know and think out side the box.
I’ve no grudge towards you but am simply accepting the fact that “There is always someone out there to say NO when you say YES”.
I accept that
Your site is full of negative expression and energy. Hope you wake up soon.
Also, don’t forget to remember that You’ve been officially brainwashed since your childhood. All those theories and laws, just think about it. If you wholeheartedly believe it, you are brainwashed.
Before you point out anything as lies just because it’s not proven doesn’t mean it’s a lie. All different thinkers in the world were quoted as liars, mad, or crazy person in the history.
But anyway, hopefully soon everyone gets awakened.
I see. So I’m “officially brainwashed” because I ask for facts and evidence before believing in something? If it’s “brainwashing” to require evidence to support a conclusion before treating it as proven, why is that a bad thing?
muertos, don’t take the term ‘brainwashed’ offensively. I didn’t really mean that way. But that’s how you are programmed, how I was programmed? We are taught to question everything and at some point it’s a positive thing. Being curious and inquisitive, that’s a human instinct right? Obviously, but insulting some ‘food for thought’ stuff for your own tease??? How can you prove your body is made up of 53 trillion cells? How can you prove there are dark energy and billions of stars out there?
How can you prove your love to one of your dead family members?
Of all, I challenge you to question your own existence.? If you don’t even spend a minute to question your own existence and own self, how could you get what’s going on around?
Sometimes, your own consciousness is enough to seek proofs and facts to.
I still hope people break their shells and start thinking out of the box.
I wish you have an awakened subconscious mind very soon.
I used to be an educated moron, not anymore.
Oh, OK. You call be “brainwashed” and suggest I’m an “educated moron” but I’m not supposed to take it personally. Thanks for clarifying that. You still haven’t explained what’s so wrong with asking for evidence and proof before believing in something. Thrive is full of falsehoods and incorrect statements. Foster Gamble, Adam Trombly, Nassim Haramein, David Icke etc. offer no evidence for their extraordinary claims, and yet you somehow seem to think I’m being unreasonable by not taking the truth of these claims on faith and instead asking for evidence. And terms like “awakened subconscious mind” mean absolutely nothing. Where are the facts? Where’s the evidence? And why I am I “programmed” or “brainwashed” for asking for them? What’s so unreasonable about insisting upon facts?
I’m responsible for what I said, I’m not responsible for what you understood.
Thank you.
Perhaps I can approach this to you at a different angle than Mr. Muertos has, Jackey. Muertos writes his blog as a skeptic. What he does is investigate suspicious claims and request evidence when necessary.
I am sure you agree that skepticism is often healthy. We should not buy claims just because a well-speaking man says so in a movie. Considering that Mr. Gamble makes several extraordinary claims in this area, such as free energy (which violates the laws of physics as we know them), it would be unusual for someone not to be skeptical.
I’ve long ago believed there must be billions of habitable planets right here in our own galaxy, my consciousness whispered then.
And, oh well guess what?? scientists just discovered it today and hit the newspaper claiming what I believed decades ago.
“20 billions habitable planets in our galaxy”
First, I’d like a citation. 20 billion habitable planets is very large indeed, and implies one inhabitable planet every two square light years, which would mean every solar system on average has at least two. This is a large assumption, and I am skeptical of it.
Second, many of these predictions are based on the Drake equation, which is based on many variables and assumptions. Even liberal assumptions for it yield at most 2000 intelligent civilizations in our galaxy.
If that seems rather large, keep in mind that the galaxy is HUGE (200,000 light years). It would take extremely long periods of time for such civilizations to travel.
Third, we don’t need to prove that intelligent life exists in the universe. We only need to debunk claims that such civilizations have reached Earth and that they utilize “free energy”.
LoL, look at yourself and look around. Do you think we need to debunk anything? They’re already here , that’s “us”.
I’m laughing at that last statement
Heh, nice catch there.
Good Day to you ~
I am one of the researchers involved on a production of a feature film called “The Grounded”, based upon the 2011 Nautilus award winning book “Earthing”.
We”re seeking an interview with you about your opinions on “Thrive”, and particularly the crop circle phenomenon.
Since you have some very good points, and make a lot of sense, and present an interesting point of view, we believe your sequence would bring a certain balance.
Please let us know if you are interested in an interview; and /or would like additional details !
Sincerely,
Steve Kroschel / co-producer “The Grounded”
muertos says : April 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm
“Wow. You read my Twitter. What a magnificent piece of detective work! Now you’ve got me totally figured out. There’s nothing more to know about me, nothing at all. I’ll just go ahead and delete this blog then, m’kay?”
KX says: April 7th 2012 @ 11:29 am EDT
Um m’kay that would be freakin awesome man thanks on deleting your blog. Oh & thanks for the kudos bro, appreciate it. I am sorry that there was nothing more to learn. I was just getting into it.
Kx Russel wrote – “Oh & thanks for the kudos bro, appreciate it. I am sorry that there was nothing more to learn. I was just getting into it.”
So, what was the point of digging through his personal life? What did that accomplish other than to reveal little tidbits of what he does with his time. How would you feel if someone took the time to dig into your personal life?
Are you that butt hurt over him disagreeing with your dogmatic viewpoints that you had to take the time to investigate his personal life? You clearly have some serious issues.
Are you seriously asking me this? A person has their entire life online open to everyone to see & you now imply to complain about “privacy”? Dude get real.
Here is a person sort of “hiding” behind this identity ripping on people who are out in the open. This is typical of people on the internet, hackers & debunkers. They never come out in the light of day.
Sean has my email that has MY name & my website. I am out in the open. The people who made THRIVE are out in the open. You want to be critical? Come out in the open. You want to rip on other people’s lives & ideas? Make your ideas known.
Sean doesn’t present his ideas at all & neither do the debunkers. ZZZZZ.
The people associated with THRIVE are tying to make the world a better place. Watch the film & see the end game: Change the world. Make it a better place.
Debunkers always doubt themselves so feel COMPELLED to get others to doubt themselves. That is all this is… so far.
@A.M. There is nothing wrong with it. It’s not sneaking up into someones life. It’s called ‘Internet’ and there are privacy settings to fiddle with. If the so called ‘someone’ has public account, that means ‘public’ right? I don’t see anything wrong here. The moment you type something out there on the internet, someone is gonna see it.
Thrive team is not there to make money selling DVDs. Some of you folks blatantly accused them of doing so. Guess what, treat yourself, go and watch it for FREE, yeah, no more money making but creating awareness. The founder is billionaire himself and just like Buddha at certain point of his content life got the enlightenment, the founder of Thrive must have been intrigued by something for doing good or spreading awareness for us ‘human’(forget about boundaries, races and religions), yes we are one and we are human.
Thrive is not compelling and forcing you to believe what he has to say, rather it’s a nice story telling in a very convincing manner which forces us to think differently than the way we are programmed.
And, if some guy pops up spreading negative reviews and contradicting baseless each and everything on the documentary, we certainly want to know what this guy is up to and what’s his intentions are. He cries it’s his view and he has a right to put his view, I agree. But when he wants to do it behind the curtain, eye brows get raised. That’s as simple as that.
PS: and if you are assuming that I’m somehow related to this other guy called Russell whom you may think I’m favoring, you are very wrong, I’m not and just like I don’t know you, I don’t know him/her as well. I was writing these words based on my true conscience.
KX Russel wrote – “The people associated with THRIVE are tying to make the world a better place. Watch the film & see the end game: Change the world. Make it a better place.”
So is digging up information on people part of this change and “making it a better place” that you speak of?
I agree with you that people do put out personal information out on the internet, whether knowingly or unknowingly. ( In fact, more than they should ). But does this make it OK to do what you just did? Perhaps you feel justified by believing that Muertos may be hiding something, which many other Thrive supporters believe based on their responses. But considering some of the people that have posted here, I think the last thing he would want is to have some internet kook harassing him day and night. Anyways, I leave you with your obsession with Muertos.
“There is nothing wrong with it. It’s not sneaking up into someones life. It’s called ‘Internet’ and there are privacy settings to fiddle with. If the so called ‘someone’ has public account, that means ‘public’ right? I don’t see anything wrong here. The moment you type something out there on the internet, someone is gonna see it.”
It really depends on how far you take this. You could do a basic google search and find some general information on a person. If you’re really good at it, then you can find some detailed information on the person. There is a difference, however, between curiosity and obsession. I just wonder how far Russel will take this? I think it could be dangerous if, say, Russel ended up posting Muertos true home address, and then some mentally/emotionally unstable individual decides to look him up. Considering a couple of nutters have posted on his blog in the past, that’s a possibility. This is the real issue I have with this. If he wants to continue with his info search and gather it in one place, then I’m sure he will continue to do so. I personally wouldn’t do this, but that’s just me.
And I know that you’re not speaking for Russel. I appreciate your honesty.
@A.M. Nice attempt to try & twist this around.
Read this blog. Some posters wanted to know who he was. “Muertos” refused to divulge anything so I just did one search on him & BLAM there was his twitter page. It is PUBLIC. It is open. I am not some ANON/LULZER going around hacking private info, (though if I wanted to be a complete idiot & criminal I supposed I could).
I went thru the list just to see what kind of person he is. I shared that info here & “Sean”/”Muerto” could have DELETED my post but he didn’t.
I put it out there so other posters would know that he is a progressive left winger who subscribes to at least a dozen debunker groups. He subscribes to a few anti-religion “haters” (my word). He seems to be a History major college student who is going tot he East Coast to get his Ph.D.
All of this tells me a lot. Having grown up surrounded by people like that it gives me a very good idea. And i have noticed that nowhere have I read on here him coming forth with any ideas nor has he expressed his world view. i think because he is afraid that someone might do to him what he is doing to others. The golden rule apparently doesn’t apply here.
As I said I gave my real name & my own blog. I am not here hiding my identity pushing a hidden agenda unlike just about everyone else here who is here under a pseudonym.
If you want to debunk something I would say actually KONY 2012 would give you a better shot of debunking a movement with a secret agenda.
I really find it offending if someone is to dig into my personal information and publish it to anywhere on the internet without my consent. That’s really low life activity.
I support to the point where information on internet is easily accessible to anyone. But if someone misuses it by publishing it anywhere for his/her own tease or to create some sort of problems, that’s sickening. I just read something in the beginning of this page by the same guy and I apologize to ‘Muertos’ if he thought I’m supporting that as well, I’m not. As long as, I can see your information if it’s public, that’s okay but misusing that information is a crime. I’ll never ever support it.
My Twitter is public. I put it out there. Twitter does have a “make your tweets private” function, but I don’t use it. It’s easy enough to find information about almost anyone on the net. If someone reads my Twitter account to learn more about me, that’s fine. I really have no problem with it.
What amuses me–and my response to KX, as you see, is deliberately sarcastic–is that people think who I am is such a vitally important issue, so they see it as some sort of “victory” by looking me up and noting things about me that I haven’t volunteered on this blog. As I’ve said before, who I am doesn’t matter. It’s the facts and arguments presented on this blog that are relevant. That’s what the discussion should be about. Are the assertions made in Thrive supportable or not? That’s the whole game for me.
Most people who respond to my debunking arguments by wanting to drill into my personal life are interested in one issue: whether I’m being paid to discredit something they believe in, or whether there’s some other factor out there that they can use to disqualify the things I’ve said. Let’s be clear, I’m not accusing KX of taking that approach. I’m just observing that this is often the reason people are interested in me. I’m not a “paid disinformation agent,” but the people who believe I am would never be satisfied by any evidence I could provide to the contrary anyway (or any lack of evidence in favor of that conclusion), so I stand nothing to gain by openly giving them anything to work with. The whole thing is just silly.
Anyone who does think I’m a “paid disinformation agent” is welcome to register their opinion on a little poll I provided for just that purpose: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/poll-is-the-creator-of-this-blog-a-paid-disinformation-agent/ As of today, approximately 20% of the respondents do believe I’m being paid to discredit Thrive. Who knows how many more are scared to answer for fear that my reptilian Illuminati overlords will hunt them down through their IP addresses if they choose to vote!
Muertos I do believe that you are genuine guy & not a internet spawned identity like I have run into on the net that wildly goes off attacking anything that is not status quo. I saw that you were reluctant to reveal who you were so all i did was google your blogger name & saw the twitter account & went thru it get who you were & your viewpoint.
I can say that your reality for the most part is not mine but hey that is life. I can see that you & I have a few aesthetic things in common in terms of coking travel & food.
I started to watch THRIVE with a very skeptical eye. I watched to see where certain things would tie in to discredit the entire thing for me. I was surprised that that never happened. i was even expecting a religious tie in in the end but he sort of passed that off with a African American female Buddhist monk who refrained from ideology & talked about finding that inner voice to guide your to a better life.
I am definitely one who applies LOOK DON’T LISTEN.Being almost 50 & having lived around the world I can say I have applied that to this sort of segment of life that THRIVE represents.
I am sure one could really nit pick & work real hard to discredit any little thing this movie says. I see this stemming from TWO viewpoints:
1) Partially a view that the world has not evil in it & what you see is what you get;
&
2) If the world really had remarkable things like this we all would have heard about them.
Well Sean sorry but this is incorrect. There is evil & data DOES get suppressed.
I have no problem with different points of view. I have no problem with you coming up with different solutions What I do have a problem with is when good people with good hearts are trying to push forward a better life & someone like you not only tries to stand in their way but also tries to dismantle what they are doing.
Sorry but people like that always have an agenda & something to hide. If you say you don’t then write an entire blog about your solutions to solving the worlds problems. Then we will see how we are maybe more alike or perhaps we can spend all day dismantling your crazy ideas.
KX, if you haven’t already read it I strongly recommend you read this article where I address the whole issue of why I can’t give Thrive a pass on its spurious facts in favor of acknowledging the “good people with good hearts [who] are trying to push forward a better life”: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/should-we-give-thrive-a-pass-on-facts-and-instead-praise-its-message/
As for my “crazy ideas” about how to solve the world’s problems, here’s a particular one that I have: I think we would have a stronger country and a better world if people would stop believing in baseless conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories corrode the ability of people to think critically about the problems that face them and their society, and they misdirect valuable energy toward imaginary or exaggerated threats instead of getting people to focus on real-world problems that could have real-world solutions. This blog is literally an effort to implement this “crazy idea” about a better world. And you know what I get for my trouble? People coming here saying I should be trying to work for a better world instead of debunking conspiracy theories. Not that it bothers me; whenever you attack a religious belief system, as conspiracy theories generally are, you’ll engender controversy. But I’m just using this example to show you that your facile dichotomy between those who “work for a better world” and those who don’t (in your view) is totally illusory.
muertos says : April 7, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Conspiracy theories corrode the ability of people to think critically about the problems that face them and their society, and they misdirect valuable energy toward imaginary or exaggerated threats instead of getting people to focus on real-world problems that could have real-world solutions.
Should We Give Thrive a Pass on Facts, And Instead Praise its “Message?”
…”that crop circles are of extraterrestrial origin, that Adam Trombly has invented a working “free energy” device, and that an insular group of conspirators control the world. These things are not true, and many other claims the movie makes aren’t true either.”
KX RUSSELL
1) Crop circles I guess one could say has “not been proven” either way I will say that it is MY CRITICAL THINKING that says these circles are indeed the work of an off planet source having witnessed them & having watched videos of them being made;
2) Again regarding Adam Trombly you get into a “He said/She said” argument. Nothing conclusive either way. Having personally dealt in advanced technologies being suppressed I would lean more towards Trombly;
3) The insular group controlling the world I KNOW for fact does exist having witnessed it several times in several places in the world.
So saying that “these things are not true” is YOUR hypothesis.
The real value in any piece of data is can it be evaluated & assigned an importance. & if evaluated as truthful & relevant can you then use it to solve a problem by locating a real cause & thusly having found the real cause work out the program to unravel the situation.
I have found that the Insular group controlling the world to be valid & I have been able to execute entire programs in handling problems based upon that data.
The fact that Gamble did get those things right that I know personally are correct opens the door for me to listen to him more.
The fact that you so brazenly dismiss it as untrue when i know that it is shows me that either
1) You can’t look, perceive acknowledge & utilize data properly
OR
2) You are unwilling to have your basic paradigms challenged unless you get it from one of your official data confirming sources (who would that be? The AMA? The CIA? NBC? CNN? Just guessing)
OR
3) think that the only world you can know is what you perceive through your body’s 5 senses or what you are told to perceive by some authority figure.
I think you are in for a tough life or at least the next few years….
but, hey, for every ying there is yang right?? without that there is no balance.
I’ve nothing personal against the blogger here but just having some healthy discussion, … he let the door open for criticisms which I think is good for good
Seriously, the only reason I supported the documentary is because it talks about human race, not race and religions, it talks about people not banks and corporations. and it even instigates possible human potentials. Though sounds so superficial it feels good, and those are the things we can only dream of right now.
@Jackey
Exactly….
muertos says : April 10, 2012 at 7:44 pm
“I am surprised that you, in 15 comments (and counting), haven’t offered a single substantive factual critique backed up with evidence to explain why I’m wrong or why you think your delusions of a “Global Domination Agenda” are correct.”
You are the one presenting your supposition as fact which is in any arguable laughable. You have not disproven anything for that matter.
muertos says
“All you’ve done is read my Twitter, post some things about it and posit that it totally explains my worldview, why I oppose Thrive and what I believe in.”
I did that obviously b/c you would not reveal to anyone here who you are & what you believe in. And still you only attack other viewpoints & still hide your own. My experience has shown that only cowards do that or people who have something to hide. At least you owned up to the Twitter page & didn’t try to censor my post.
As far as i can tell you view the world in a sort of Newtonian/Descartesian humanistic mechanical way where the news media is the bastion of truth & integrity & other people’s spiritual views are worthy of bashing.
muertos says
“You suggest some vague New Age feel-good books but you haven’t offered a single fact or a single piece of evidence that indicates I’m wrong.”
And here you miss the point: I don’t care about that. I am trying to get you to OPEN YOUR MIND b/c it is fairly closed right now. The “New Age” books are far from that. They are written by respected Scientists like Physics professors the late David Bohm (who discovered the Bohm Aharonov effect & taught @ UC Berkely) & Fritoj Capra (who teaches at the University of Vienna) & Rupert Sheldrake who is a Cambridge Biochemistry PhD. These book represent evolutions in thought. And the fact that you are so dismissive of some the 20th & 21st centuries great minds shows me indeed you are closed minded.
muertos says
“Your entire argument is that I’m somehow doing wrong by criticizing Thrive because the people who made it have good intentions. Well, gee whiz, I have good intentions too, but I don’t see anyone here, including my supporters, arguing that my good intentions should immunize me for criticism on my facts.”
My argument has been is that YOU provide nothing but opinion here & then try to pass it off as fact. For myself I don’t need to prove anything. I have been busy living life & experiencing it & so have many of my like minded friends. We have been changing this world whether you are aware of it or not. You can try to pass yourself off as some sort of expert but those of us who do know just laugh about this. You think the world is one particular way but it is not.
When I lived in SE Asia I saw who was running the gold & drug smuggling. When I got cancer I saw which MD got me a vaccine that got results & which MD had been physically attacked. I have been witness to government attacks to shut down different organizations who were fighting to bring truth to hidden crimes. And you think that b/c CBS & CNN did not report it it is not true. THis is not a personal attack but merely a statement of fact that to think that is actually delusional.
muertos says
“So, do you or do you not have a concrete factual objection to something I’ve posted? If so, what is it, and what is your reliable, testable and verifiable evidence in support of your assertion? Please be as specific as possible. Thank you.”
WHat is it exactly you would like some sort of concrete evidence upon?
You say I’ve provided nothing but opinion–obviously you haven’t read much of this blog. I provided facts to demonstrate that crop circles are made by human beings, thus refuting one of the main contentions in Thrive. I provided facts to demonstrate that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was not a “false flag,” thus refuting Foster Gamble’s error on this point. I provided facts to demonstrate that ancient structures such as the pyramids were constructed by ancient peoples, not by extraterrestrials. But even if I hadn’t done that, what you don’t seem to understand is that it’s up to the believers in these various conspiracy theories and similar wild claims–free energy, the “Global Domination Agenda,” UFOs, extraterrestrial technology, etc.–to provide facts to validate these claims. This is a point that conspiracy believers would rather not acknowledge–that nothing can be regarded as proven until and unless there are facts to support it.
This blog is about whether the claims in Thrive are supported by facts or logical reasoning. This blog isn’t about my religious or spiritual beliefs, about whether CNN reports the news accurately, about who smuggled drugs in Southeast Asia in the past, or about New Age charlatans like Ouspensky. This blog is about whether the claims in Thrive are supported by facts or logical reasoning. What I hear you arguing is that I have a “closed mind” because I ask for evidence and critical thinking before I believe bizarre and nonsensical fairy tales like a “Global Domination Agenda” or magical free energy devices. Your argument seems to be that it’s inherently unreasonable and unfair of me to ask for evidence before believing these things. I’ve challenged numerous supporters of Thrive who make the same argument to explain why it’s unreasonable and unfair for me to do this. Not a single one of them has ever come up with a coherent answer. If you can, you’re absolutely welcome to, and frankly I’d like to hear it, because I’ve never understood that position in the first place.
muertos says
“provided facts to demonstrate that crop circles are made by human
beings”
Sorry Sean but this is just false. You have over 5000 circles on Planet
Earth some of which have been videotaped being made of something flying & using a technology not easily duplicated.
muertos says
I provided facts to demonstrate that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was not a “false flag,”
Well it is hard to beat Robert McNamara on video tape saying that the G of T NEVER happened. So again incorrect.
muertos says
“demonstrate that ancient structures such as the pyramids were constructed by ancient peoples,”
Sorry but people 5000 to 10,000 years did not possess the technology to do even half of this so again your suppositions are incorrect. Go look Goblecki & Puma Punta & Macchu Pichu.
muertos says
This is a point that conspiracy believers would rather not acknowledge–that nothing can be regarded as proven until and unless there are facts to support it.
The list is endless on this.
all sorts of tests have shown & hundreds of scientists have signed on to say that the purported events of 9/11 are not what they seem;
Come to Laughlin NV where I own property & ask around town about April 2010 & November 2008. You will hear stories of what people saw. Like Ducks walking up to a house & hiding behind a vehicle for a hour silent & unmoving while a UFO was over the marsh lands.
Or Dr Roger Lear’s patient from whom he removed a metal object that when metallurgist test showed that the metals in the object could have only come from a star system closer to the center of the Galaxy & were not native to this solar system.
Read John Perkins book Confession of an Economic Hitman
The fact remains is that you have chosen to attack a movie & actually an entire movement on Earth & have not provided anything but yer opinions whereas there are plenty of facts to show you the rest of what anyone of us is talking about. And this brings me to more of the conclusion that you are just another person working for the darkside & pretending to be some sort of proponent to stop fraud when indeed it is the other way around.
Calling Ouspenksy a new age charlatan just shows me how uneducated you are showing yourself to be. The man was a Greek & Hebrew scholar.And the fact that you do not reveal your lack of spiritual awareness of belief just adds fuel to that fire. And yes THAT has everything to do with it. That is what YOU don’t get.
It has to do that a person who cannot fathom any other reality then the one on his TV or that only his bodies eyes tell him tries to be a critic of people who have not only other senses beside the physical but have experience in all the realms you deny. The truth is is that you are in serious trouble & don’t know it.
It’s clear that you have no interest in even considering any fact or reasoned argument that doesn’t confirm and support your predetermined conclusion that everything is a conspiracy. No wonder nothing on this blog has reached you–if, for example, after reading the “false flag” article which contains a documented admission by a North Vietnamese official that the attack did happen and still thinking “I haven’t debunked it,” you’re utterly lost to any sort of rational analysis. You do represent the perfect example of the target audience member to whom Foster Gamble is trying to sell his movie, however. In that sense you’ve confirmed quite a lot of the hypotheses I’ve formed about who is most eagerly buying the ideology that Thrive is selling and why they’re so resistant to anything in the way of reason.
muertos says : April 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm
It’s clear that you have no interest in even considering any fact or reasoned argument that doesn’t confirm and support your predetermined conclusion that everything is a conspiracy.
Funny Sean that is what everyone is saying about you & your blog.
muertos says : April 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm
No wonder nothing on this blog has reached you–if, for example, after reading the “false flag” article which contains a documented admission by a North Vietnamese official that the attack did happen and still thinking “I haven’t debunked it,” you’re utterly lost to any sort of rational analysis.
Guess you decided to believe the communists vs the man who was Secretary of Defense of the United States who refuted that. I guess you are the one who only believes the data that fits into your world.
muertos says : April 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm
You do represent the perfect example of the target audience member to whom Foster Gamble is trying to sell his movie, however. In that sense you’ve confirmed quite a lot of the hypotheses I’ve formed about who is most eagerly buying the ideology that Thrive is selling and why they’re so resistant to anything in the way of reason.
No Sean it only proves that the sort of people who are debunkers only sit at home & read books & watch pre-programmed TV that tells you what the truth is as opposed to going out & living life & finding what is true & how real life really works.
I have a pretty high IQ & I have quite a few extra-sensory abilities which I have demonstrated to several people. I went to a pretty good school where I studied stuff most people would consider “left AND right brained” (though I personally don’t bother with too much stuff like that). I have run my own biz for several years & made some good money so I know my ability to analyze data & project growth is very good. I have lived in several countries, speak a few languages & been around the world a few times. I know who I am & where I am going & have a pretty good sense of what is to help other people & try to improve conditions for my fellow man.
All the things that THRIVE are discussing are things I have been looking at for the past 30 years. For me it doesn’t introduce a lot of new data but ties things together. At this point you remind me of this passage in the Matrix:
Forget debating Thrive’s conclusions…if their facts are all wrong, who would even want them to be on your side??? This whole movie was an attempt to discredit everything contained in it by being so stinking factually inaccurate. Wake up.
According to whom? You? Other debunkers? People who have a vested interested in creating an argument against everything in the film? The waking up need is your court I am afraid.
we all don’t know the jack about what we’re talking about. We’re just making assumptions, esp. debunkers and conspiracy theorists as well.
Regarding crop circles, nobody knows who the heck is doing that. So called conspiracy theorists get to play their thought on it and then debunkers start on. I don’t know who created those but I know that was not man-made. There are some man-made ones trying to replicate this phenomenon, it’s a joke. As per the subject of UFO, they’re real. If you think that’s fake just because you’ve not seen one, then you’re not real, you are deluded and most probably you’re looked at as the confused or abnormal one in your inner circle.
What would you say to those who have facts and proofs, check the link below( Get ready for next version of it real soon):
http://muertos.blog.com/2010/05/28/why-conspiracy-theorists-love-youtube/
Everyone loves youtube, researchers/scientists/teachers/students/entertainers/businesses/even you… everyone loves youtube. It’s obvious why conspiracy theorists be left.
Youtube is real. Real life education is right there. Factual information or referral source of information can be found right there. It’s dynamic way of expressing one’s thought process.
Had I given the non-youtube link to sources, I would have gotten the answers ‘all conspiracy theorists love internet’. anyway, I don’t believe 9/11 is a insider job. Whoever believe it are whackos. Let them deal with it. But denying the fact about these flying saucers is very surprising. They’re real. A mexican fighter footage several years ago dismayed mexican officials. It can’t get more real than this. We’re all hanging on this rock called ‘earth’ amidst this vast space full of different advanced civilizations.
Thrive Effect: —–>>>>>>
Iceland forgives mortgage debt of its population..
(We need more government of people to follow the suit, not government of bankers/corps)
Who are you and why should we believe what you say when you won’t even reveal your real name? How about a little transparency?
THRIVE is a great movie. Everybody should watch it!
Janet, as I’ve stated before in comments, I don’t want this blog to become about me. Despite the fervor with which Thrive fans want to make it about me, I want the articles here and the facts and arguments presented in them to stand on their own. It couldn’t be less relevant who I am. This blog is about Thrive, about its factual veracity (which is seriously compromised) and about the persuasiveness of its arguments about what’s going on around the world (clearly, as I’ve demonstrated, not very persuasive at all).
I too would love to know who Muertos is… I have been asking this same question for some time.
Apparently, everyone is supposed to just accept what he has to say without knowing anything about him, his history or his motivations. I’m glad that he doesn’t think it’s important.
At least Foster is prepared to be scrutinized on every level.
This speaks volumes to me!
Makes me wonder if they are looking for a “face” for the blog.
MUERTOS, I think that you should have an actual conversation with Foster. Have you even reached out?…Do you even know this man you have dedicated the last few months of your life discrediting?…You should try and make it to one of these screenings that have a Q+A session without the mentality of attack. Open your mind…
SONYA, I think that you should learn to spell and not use your caps lock so much.
Foster Gamble can contact me at any time he wants to. My email is muertos@gmail.com.
All CAPS is considered yelling. I would stop that as well.
Despite what was written up against Thrive movie, I still consider this is just his opinion. I’m a Thrive movie supporter and I don’t really think his words would change anything about my love towards the movie. Who are we to change a person’s thought? Let them have a freedom of their own imagination, agreeing it or not is on every other of us.
But for more of us, it’s sounding more like defamation than debunking out of some personal vendetta, who knows? I could be wrong.
I call myself Thrive follower, the movie which talks about love and brotherhood and just because someone is criticizing it, I can’t go and attack that person verbally or in written form. That’s me forgetting who am trying to become.
Let’s end this hatred, and share love. Let him have his peace of mind.
“The central argument of the movie Thrive is that technology and processes allowing so-called “free” energy exist and are being suppressed by various conspiratorial forces. As I hope this blog will demonstrate, this central assertion, as well as many others made in the Thrive movie, cannot withstand objective scrutiny from the standpoint of factual analysis or logical reasoning.”
I outlined the opening statement of this blog, to counter its assertions with Fact:
Cold Fusion, as a new emerging, scientific phenomena is currently being engineered, validated and commercialized as a viable Ultra clean and cheap energy source.
Here is a link to direct information that put’s this blog’s bias into perspective, in that one can ask why recent developments into Cold Fusion are not being addressed?
http://pesn.com/2012/04/19/9602078_Brillouin–Understanding_How_LENR_Works_Will_Enable_Us_to_Be_First/
Follow the link and listen too the radio show and logically track down more info on Cold Fusion…
WE are seeing the birth of a technology of staggering importance in both is disruptive and remediating potential!!
The Thrive web site places a link to the PESN New Energy Blog.
In the US atm you cannot get an Patent application that involves Cold Fusion, through to completion and approval.
It is stated by the Brillouin Team, via the above link.
Defkalion, a Greece company, is developing Cold Fusion reactors, has just allowed 10 teams to test their claims, and we are now waiting on the results of validation.
Follow the link and follow the logical questions that fall out from that, or the above Blog mission statement is meaningless in the context of your attempt to stand on the ethics found in factual motivated reporting and investigation.
If you side set the significance of the above information, you will have exposed a profound blind spot in your awareness….LOL
Onward
I find it strange that people automatically assume distrust in the world powers and governments turns you into a ‘crazy, paranoid conspiracy. theorist’. It shows your true ignorance. do you REALLY trust your american government and believe they are looking out for your well being??? Perhaps you are the one that is guided by false facts, fabricated evidence and lies. Open your eyes buddy
When did I ever say that I trust world powers or governments?