Comments Policy
I do not, as a rule, censor comments, even when they disagree with me. Since this blog was established, the only comments that I have not approved are very obvious computer-generated spam comments (i.e., “Rolex watches at half off!” and such). The only exceptions that I can think of for non-spam comments that I would not approve are comments that directly incite violence or are egregious examples of defamation or hate speech (meaning, so egregious that they would likely be legally actionable). That has not happened yet and probably will not happen.
Some legitimate commenters have claimed that their comments haven’t been showing up on the site. I believe them, but it’s not because I didn’t approve them. WordPress uses an automatic spam comment catcher which occasionally targets legitimate comments. I do regularly check the spam folder and have approved legitimate comments that have appeared there for one reason or another. In some cases, I could find no record of a comment that a person claims to have made. Again, I believe them–on more than one occasion a comment I myself have made has vanished into the ether when I click Submit, so I know it does happen. It’s just a glitch in WordPress.
If you have a comment to make and it’s not showing up on the site after a reasonable time of submission, and you are an actual human being who’s not selling something, please email me at muertos@gmail.com and I will post your comment manually. I’ll do this even if the comment is sharply critical of me or opinions expressed on the blog. I’ve already done this for more than one commenter.
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- - March 26, 2012
I spent the better part of a morning looking over your material. To attempt to discredit every single aspect of Thrive was my first clue; my second was the amount of time you have spent on this website (very nice, BTW).
If there was any way to prove this, I would wager big money that you make your living discrediting people that go against the status quo.
My son is a journalist/researcher for a right-wing rag and was approached to do this very thing for another issue currently chafing the mellow of the powers that be..
Hope it’s worth it to you.
I’m not paid anything, by anyone, anywhere to write this blog and I’m sorry you think that I am. Also, I’m not associated with the “right wing” in any way. My politics are solidly left-liberal-progressive.
Highly doubt the above statements after reading through your website.
You consistently contradict yourself and your messaging is rather weak, overall, I’m going to watch Thrive after this and form an opinion myself.
Hi Sarah,
Gee, I’m sorry you’re such a terrible mother, but at least you cop to it — unless of course you blame his father for your son’s fascist leanings.
But look at it this way: too far to the right leads to fascism; too far to the left leads to totalitarianism. So then, it’s “pick your poison!”
On the other hand, if you really want to THRIVE, then let’s keep playing at the tug’o'war between the left and right over the middle. It’s fun and nobody dies.
On that note, I wonder if you’d like to comment on this recent comment made by a feminist criticizing THRIVE because it’s still way too patriarchal. (Its spot in the queue is #33 out of 34.)
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-first-partial-debunking-of-the-full-length-thrive-movie/#comments
. When I was 20, I wanted to know how almost every country on the planet could be in debt and who are we in debt to. Banks print money, and sell it to us. That is called wage-slavery
Banks and corporations are making billions of dollars off the resources that belong to all humans, and you are here trying to debunk whether there are alternative energy sources, or whether there are other life forms.
You sound like a joke.
Our governments spend so much money on military, on oil companies, on themselves, while most people on the planet have very little, and you have nothing to say about that, because you actually think they are doing their best to help us.
Get a life. Join the Human race.
How about reading “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by John Perkins. I wonder what kind of bullshit you way say to de-bunk him?
Just read your piece on global domination.You are an example of how the agenda is working you fool. The elite are rich, and you are supporting them. See, it’s working, they don’t need to stop movies such as this as long as fools like you exist.
Goodbye.
To be fair most of John Perkins writings are anecdotal and I’ve read both of his books, not his last one “Hoodwinked” though.
You have to ask yourself that if it is really true what he says then why is he still alive? Because he wrote a book? If “they” could off Roldos and Torrijo then they could very well make Perkins disappear as well, book or no book.
You want to get a feel for corruption then I would suggest Howard Zinn’s works.
Looked at most of the site some good points. David Icke being one there may have been a better choice though there was no reference to his understanding about reptilians. In his defense there have been many writings on the subject before. One by Robert Morning Sky “The Terra Papers” in the early 90′s after
publishing and speaking around the country on the subject there were at least two attempts on his life so he no longer speaks in public on the subject. Also who was that speaking serpent in the bible any way? How about that federal reserve bank system what away to do business if you can get away with it.(oh but they do) Are all crop circles made by humans? If just one is not then how.why.by who and that for.Now 9-11… If you are truly a seeker of the true
they you must look at a new book by Phillp Marshall airline capt. ratings on Boeing 727,737,747,757,and 767 “The big bam boozle” web site thebigbamboozle.com
Let us know what you find if you look… on the blog..
Bernie,,,Muertos isn’t interested in the truth, only conspiracy theories, so good luck having any meaningful conversation with him
In Thrive, they talk about the corruption of the FDA, and drug companies, so, debunk this you government troll. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArNAxocz1X4
Where’s your evidence that I’m a “government troll”?
You have not shown your face to the public. Your full name please!!!!??? Where you are from where you went to school…etc. Foster was not scared of you! ANd still is not because he is real.
Hey Treok, I just found evidence from Glenn Beck that you ARE anti-semitic because you ARE anti-Zionist. So try to debunk this statement he made to a Jewish community center in Brooklyn:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-speaks-at-event-honoring-gush-katif/
Cloaked under the guise of a belief in civil rights, many today will say, “I am not against Jews, just against Zionism.”
“Well,” Beck started, “being anti-Israel, and being anti-Zionist, is anti-Semitism.” He also noted the irony of the fact that it was actually Dr. Martin Luther King who coined that saying and mindset.
Plus, because Martin Luther King said it first, then that means that you are not only antisemitic, you’re racist as well.
hahahahah Hollywood Tomfortas is such a pathetic excuse for a human, just spreading hate and lies. God, it must be terrible to be you HT.
I am against corrupt governments, including the United states government, and the Israel government, and the french government and the canadian government and the english government, and the english monarchy, and most of the Untied nations governments, but most people I have met in different countries, i love as brothers and sisters. It’s just the corrupt few that are in control of governments that I have a problem with, but of course you support the corruption, and you support the violation of human rights by supporting the corrupt activities of the american and israeli governments.
You keep accusing me of being a racist, and i as I know that is not me, the only place I can guess that comes form is you. You are no doubt a member of some white supremist group, otherwise, where is all this hate filled ranting of yours coming from.
I have no interest in Christianity or zionism or islam,,,,only in Humans and human Rights for all people, including palestinians, who you probably call terrorists.
Evidence that you are a government troll? Your writings are all the evidence any of us need you fool. Its so obvious, and whether you are actually employed or are just stupid enough to be doing this for free, makes no difference. You probably are doing it just out of your own ignorance and hate and anger. So, there is no need of evidence, you sickness is totally obvious Brother. You can’t hide behind accusations of others being racist.
hahahahahah. you are truly a lost soul, and so, here I am, a true loving human, giving you the little bit of attention you need, to let you know, that humanity awaits you, while I know you will probably live out your pathetic angry life right to the bitter end exactly the way you are now……but there will always be an angel putting loving ideas in your little pea brain, and closed heart.
Sincerely,
Treok
Oh yeah HT, I forgot about the top Israeli government official that said that any time any one criticizes Israel and their practices toward palestine, that they label them anti-semitic in an attempt to discredit them, even though they know, they are not anti-semitic. I will look for the clip for you.
Cat got your tongue, hollytroll trollfortas
HollywoodT,
Here is Shulamit Alori, a former Israeli minister, saying that calling someone anti-semitic is a trick the Israeli government always uses when someone criticizes Israel.
You are busted Hollywood. You are pathetic government troll, or just another mindless brainwashed fool. I’m Glad to have PROOF of you sickness, so here is the link….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfqCv-a4QSM
Way to go, Treok! You really nailed me on that one. OMG, I feel so naked! You’ve shined the light of truth on me and like a good roach I need a new dark place to hide and also like a wounded animal I need a secret place to go and lick my wounds.
But before I disappear, I must congratulate you on your perspicacity, Treok! You know I dearly wish that I were able to tell you why I’m here, but I know you’ll appreciate the fact that I can neither confirm nor deny whether I am actually a government operative or even a gov’t troll as Foster Gamble himself suspects. As you might gather, such information is classified.
But I can engage in hypotheticals, though, because I know that you are astute enough to “read between the lines,” as it were. Did you know that there are two distinct types of gov’t agents that are assigned to monitor social phenomena like the THRIVE movie? One group addresses the contents of the movie directly, while the other group operates much like baseball scouts do, you know, the guys whose job it is to recruit new talent for the major league team.
Of course I can neither confirm nor deny that I and muertos belong to either group — or even that we are working together (that would be a conspiracy) because that information is also classified, but let me just say Treok, that if I were such an agent, I would be sending a glowing report on you and your talent up the chain of command to my superiors.
Finally, just consider that under the Obama administration, the greatest growth industry is the expansion of government jobs. Great security and great benefits. I know you’ll make the prudent decision if you are ever contacted by a representative of such an “industry” and offered a position.
Hey, Hollywood, did you get your check this week? Mine’s late, and last week they withheld too much for the Bohemian Grove fund. I tried to call the Illuminati Payroll department, but the recording said the hold time was like 45 minutes. I tried to call Mr. Rothschild’s office but his secretary said he was out ruining the European economy today and wouldn’t be back until Monday…
HollywoodT,
Here is Shulamit Alori, a former Israeli minister, saying that calling someone anti-semitic is a trick the Israeli government always uses when someone criticizes Israel.
\ PROOF of your sickness, so here is the link….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfqCv-a4QSM
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Hi Treok,
Assuming I were a career gov’t troll, I might also be on assignment to monitor other blogs that discuss THRIVE and I just posted this comment on a blog connected with the Reality Sandwich folks who did a recent interview with Foster Gamble.
I copy it here for you, Treok, because I need to find out how savvy you are about government operative/troll strategy and tactics. Again if I were hypothetically writing a recruitment report on you for future hiring, this is a question you need to answer correctly.
Your humble hypothetical future PsyOps Handler,
HT
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http://www.evolver.net/user/rae_liera/blog/voice_reason_age_insane
Is THRIVE itself part of the conspiracy?
Hollywood Tomfortas — Feb 25, 2012
Greetings Mark & Rae,
It is a signature of Psychological Operations Warfare in the military and paramilitary to “play both ends against the middle.” Another way of describing this strategy is “divide and conquer.”
I read your assessment of Foster Gamble above and would like to ask you if you might consider the possibility that Foster Gamble himself is a very successful gov’t disinformation agent whose movie THRIVE is itself a potent weapon in the PsyOps war that is raging in the USA today?
A good place to start your research is here at a blog site devoted to debunking THRIVE and all its ostensible conspiracy theories and pseudo-science.
[link to muertos blog inserted here]
Here is Rae’s reply from her Evolver.net blog.
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no thanks Friend
Rae Liera — Feb 25, 2012
I perused your blog. You and I are light years away in political ideology, philosophy, understanding of the nature of reality, and understanding of the facts. You feel to me to be completely inside the beltway. I’m definitely not buying what you’re selling. You’ll have to go elsewhere to peddle your status quo notions, Friends.
Foster’s not a troll. I know him, have known him more than 12 years now. He works to make the world a better place. Simply because he believes in that. He’s a good soul, doing good work on the planet. He is shining a light on truth, that is all. ‘Conspiracy’ theory is another way to shoot down people who are revealing the truth. Unfortunately. The world needs help and fast, from whatever angle it is coming. If Thrive wakes people up, then it has served its purpose. Wake up. Time is short. Wake up.
Hey treok,
What do you think of this message I just posted on Rae’s Evolver.net blog? See, now that you’ve exposed me on muertos’ blog, I feel a lot freer to let it all hang out a lot more.
HT
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Fear of Low Sales Resistance?
Hollywood Tomfortas — Feb 25, 2012
Hi Rae,
First of all, I’m not selling anything. Perhaps you are projecting on to me a fear that you have a low “sales resistance” and might buy something you don’t want.
I’m actually responding to what you wrote above.
First, you stated that you had not yet heard anything critical of Foster Gamble. So I provided you one link to inform you about criticism of Foster Gamble.
Secondly, you expressed a strong belief in conspiracy theories. I wonder how far you are willing to project such beliefs onto our present world situation — including Foster Gamble’s agenda?
As for your assessment of me as someone “inside the beltway,” you are quite spot on — if you include the Pentagon as being within that boundary.
And on that note, our main interest is not so much in the message of THRIVE itself, but in the attitudes toward Israel that the viewers of the movie express on the Internet.
If you get the feeling that you are being watched, please let me reassure you that you are not being paranoid at all.
Finally, some truth comes out of the fascist psychopath HT.
You’ll be watching millions of freedom loving people HT, and you can watch, jail and kill million, as the likes of you have always done, but when we die, we have a clean conscience, unlike your kind. The old excuse, “We were only doing our job” wont ease your pain at having wasted your life.
Wait, do I understand this correctly? Because Tomfortas doesn’t like an Internet conspiracy movie called Thrive, now he’s a fascist psychopath guilty of killing and jailing millions? How does that work, exactly?
OH WoW…Muertos!! You Can’t deal with my Proof that I wrote about below, so you ignored that, I guess because your IQ is less than 90, so no point talking to you anymore,(you will be relieved , but not as relieved as I am) and now you try to defend HT who is sounding pretty insane, so enough with this waste of time. Good luck with your pathetic lives.
Humanity is awakening, and many of us wish to see us all Thrive, and you fools actually think a plane hit the pentagon, and are happy with the Economic Slavery system that we have, and have no ideas to contribute to creating a better world for everyone. You have chosen not to evolve.
You are sad excuses for humans.
Muertos, the article you directed me to is just more rhetoric. You mentioned none of the facts I brought up. I guess you think that by wasting my time with a bunch of drivel, that I will leave your site, and stop putting truth on here. of course, you are correct, eventually I will leave you to your delusions, but first…..
Interesting isn’t it, that in your joke of an article,, you say there is no proof 9/11 is an inside job, and yet, I wrote about 2 things that are blatant proof, and in your normal way of ignoring truth, you don’t respond, and you direct me to an article of yours that says NOTHING AT ALL about the truth that I presented.
You aren’t interested in truth at all. No wonder you call me a 911 truther, I didn’t call myself that, but you are obviously bothered by the truth, and try to turn into some kind of insult or label like conspiracy theorist.
I presented you with facts, and you come back with nothing.
Surely, any one else reading your comment will see it for what it is. Nothing at all. Rhetoric. Misinformation. All the things you accuse Foster Gamble of. You are the one with the agenda. You are the one avoiding the truth.
I gave you proof that the official 911 story is obviously ridiculous, and so of course you have nothing to say. What could you say, except to try to distract from my proof, and so you send me off on a wild goose chase to your childish article, that says NOTHING about my two main points regarding a steel building burning and collapsing in on itself, and there being no plane at the pentagon, and the absurd “OFFICIAL” story of the plane doing impossible things, and then disintegrating.
Grow up Muertos
Treok, if you read my blog addressed to a 9/11 Truther, you may have seen a link to another article (http://muertos.blog.com/2011/11/30/the-truth-about-911-truth-and-debunking/) which sets out why, for the most part, arguing with 9/11 Truthers is largely pointless these days. (I made an exception in that case, obviously, for the reasons described therein). Consequently, I’m not going to waste time and space on my blog rehashing with you tired Truther tropes that were debunked years ago. If you’re too lazy to find refutations of the idiotic items of “proof” you posted–refutations which have been widely available since 2005, if not before–there is no reason why I should try to do your research for you.
If you choose to take this as an absolute vindication of your unsupportable positions as a 9/11 Truther, you’re more than welcome to. I’ve been refuting Truther crap for the past seven years. Not only do Truthers never have anything new, but they refuse to acknowledge that all of their arguments have been discredited time and again, in many places, by many people, for many years. You want to draw me back into a debate that was settled seven years ago. You’re perfectly welcome to continue posting comments here about how wrong you think I am, and that’s fine. The facts, as always, speak for themselves, and the facts indicate that 9/11 was not an inside job. Whether you accept that conclusion or not couldn’t be less important to me. Thanks, as always, for your comments.
Hi Treok!
You ever watch a crime drama on TV where there is a kidnapping? There’s always the scene where the kidnapper is on the phone with the police making ransom demands and the cop tries to keep the kidnapper on the line long enough to trace the call and locate him?
Well, something similar has happened here Treok. You see, you have finally made enough comments on muertos’ blog that we were able to track down your location and thus are now able to monitor you and keep your whole network of friends and fellow activists under close surveillance.
And please don’t think that because you live in Canada that you are out of reach of our intelligence operations. After all, the guys who founded Google, Sergei and Larry, as well as their inner circle are — to a man and woman — all internationalist Zionist Jews who fully support Israel no matter what Israel does and national boundaries mean nothing to them. Naturally, Google is our greatest secret government asset — all the more powerful because it’s so ubiquitous and out in the open — like the water that fish swim in. People are completely clueless about the comprehensive dossiers that Google has already collected on them and made available for all our security and intelligence agencies.
But Treok, I admire your spunk and so I am going to make you a bold proposal. Rather than continue our electronic surveillance of you and your friends, I am going to offer you an opportunity to join our agency. We know that everyone has his price and I’m sure we could negotiate a compensation package that would be acceptable to you.
I’ve put the word out on our network and we have selected one of our most charismatic Canadian operatives. He calls himself Barry and when he is working undercover, he hangs out posing as a homeless man in downtown Victoria, BC and he knows many folks at the Cool Aid Society. When he is not undercover, he has been known to consult with Elizabeth May, the Green Party leader. Barry has a wicked sense of humor and irony, so many times, he will trek East and visit the Abkhazi Garden where he likes to engage people in conversation about chemtrails and point out how the silver/white nano-particles of Aluminum and Barium Oxides are falling on this beautiful garden and slowly poisoning it. He then whips out some talcum powder and shows them.
Now, what I could do Treok, assuming you are open to our offer of employment, is to set up a meeting with Barry because he would then become your handler in Victoria. But to honor the occasion, I will tell him not to meet you at the Abkhazi Garden, but rather drive just a mile West down Fairfield Road so that you could both rendezvous in — where else — HOLLYWOOD Park!!!! And once you seal the deal — just behind the home plate area of the Little League baseball field — you can both raise a toast to me, Hollywood Tomfortas (who will then be paid a nice bonus for recruiting you! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Treok, I’ll owe you and definitely buy you a few beers when I finally get to see you in BC.)
Oh and Treok, just one little reminder. When you ride your bicycle to Hollywood Park in Victoria, don’t forget to wear your bike helmet. You wouldn’t want to be detained by the authorities while on your way to become one of them now, would you? (Your police file and interrogation video from 2008 is quite amusing, but I won’t embarrass you with the details here.)
Finally, I hope you’ll indulge me in a little bit of punny fun. I know it’s a groaner, but I can’t resist. So, Treok, if you join the agency, I promise not to tell anyone else about it. We’ll keep it all under wraps. And then you know what? It becomes our own little . . . Victoria’s Secret. ;=))) Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!
what kind of cash are we talking about HT?
Well, I’m not familiar with the Canadian government employee classification system, but I imagine it’s very close to the US system. Now in the US system, the lowest grade employee is hired at GS-1 level at Step 1. Now that’s a base salary of $17,803 per annum for a 40 hour work week. Now there is a Locality Pay Adjustment added to the Base Salary which is 21.81% for the Seattle area, which is closest to you. That would bring your total salary up to $21,686.
However, the above GS schedule is for competitive positions but yours would be in what is called the “excepted position,” characteristic of intelligence service agencies. There you would not be bound to a 40 hour work week, and the pay would be contracted hourly as calculated upon a 40 hour work week times a 50 week year which would be 2,000 hours per annum. Dividing 2,000 into your total salary would yield an hourly rate of $10.84.
Doesn’t sound like much but there are other non-financial benefits which would make it worth your while. Plus there are opportunities for special assignments and travel, for example, infiltrating THRIVE Movement action groups in other parts of the country.
Of course, you will have to pass a battery of many diverse tests, all of which are painless. They involve several types of brain scans such as fMRI, CAT, and PET as well as physiological examinations and psychological stress testing with a comprehensive psychiatric profile and score that will evaluate how well you would fit it and if you have the right temperament for this type of exciting work.
Sounds somewhat intriguing HT, but I’m not really sure you are on the up and up, so how about a little proof, comrade.
I posted the video on my bike helmet video for anyone to see, so the fact you saw it means nothing. However, you mentioned my police file, so how about sharing a few details so that I know you aren’t just some clown who is going to send me to a park to sit around while nobody shows up, and are actually in the loop.
HT, if you come up with some proof, so I can join your ranks, can you give me some pointers on how to debunk this video someone sent to me, because it looks pretty solid,
Thanks for your help Comrade,
Treok
oops,,,here’s the link……www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Td_N8DB2FsM#!
Sorry. I meant to send part 2 about 4 minutes in, which is about the monetary system …..see if this works…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT6Bx1MhYK8&feature=related…..Thanks for your help
Hey, Treok! Are you trying to mess with muertos’ mind? The link you gave is Woody Harrelson’s answer to THRIVE, which he calls ETHOS. The section you noted has the same message of THRIVE about the Federal Reserve and about electing Ron Paul. And Woody rounds up the same usual Jewish banker suspects as Foster does.
But now look at how muertos is pulling his hair out over all these alleged documentaries coming out. He can’t debunk them all, you know, so you just had to rub it in with ETHOS!
http://muertos.blog.com/2012/02/18/the-conspiracy-world-is-changing-are-you-ready-for-it/
As Thrive itself imitated Zeitgeist, others are already trying to imitate Thrive. The next conspiracy movie that seems to be trying to break into the mainstream is called Ethos, narrated by Woody Harrelson (another familiar face in New Age circles). I haven’t seen it yet, but it appears to be more of the same, supposedly diagnosing the economic and political problems of the world from a New Age and conspiracist viewpoint. I, for one, am probably not going to be re-enlisting to debunk Ethos. After three years of debunking Zeitgeist and who knows how many more still to come in refuting Thrive, I simply don’t have the time, attention or effort left to re-up for yet another campaign of endless battles with Ethos’s conspiracy believers.
Hey HT,
Not trying to mess with anyone, I’m just trying one LAST time to find out how it is you are OK with money being sold to the U.S or Canadian Government, when our Governments’ could (and should in my mind) be printing the money., and giving it to us. No interest charged. SERIOUSLY, why is a bank making money from printing money.. Does that really make sense to you, or is it so scary to think about,
I guess I CAN see how that could scare someone,….. so, Hollwood Tomfortas, I am sorry that I have been harsh on you. I didn’t realize you are afraid, as you come off like a bully, but HEY! isn’t that what they say about bullies,
so I’m sorry if you are afraid to admit that it’s POSSIBLE, that our system isn’t actually here for us. Maybe your government isn’t ACTUALLY here for you. Have you EVER EVEN considered that. What if you stopped calling people racist. Maybe that’s what it is. The fear. No, I’m not taking psychology 101 HT, just wondering why such attacks from you on people asking questions, You defend this monetary system that YOU have no comment on, just name-calling, or telling a woman she is being watched. I can see why some others on this site have accused you of working for the government, because you are so crazed about it, and then of course, people leave this site, and don’t came back, because there is no conversation happening. I wonder what your conversations are like in real life HT, or I guess like most of us, you hang out with people with similar ideas that we have a utopian life right now.
Maybe I am a simpleton,(sorry to my friends, not saying you are of a similar mind
) maybe MY IQ is the same as my age, but I don’t think we need people making billions of dollars from owning banks and oil companies, that’s MY opinion, nothing anyone can debunk. No conspiracy to me, just basic facts of how and who prints money, and how different people receive money, and land and resources.
So HT, as others are probably wondering, like I am, if you don’t have stocks in a federal reserve or something, PLEASE TELL US, WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE BANKS SO STRONGLY. You aren’t part of the banking families, so why so much stock in defending their theft of OUR money, Hollywood. AHA!!! FOSTER GAMBLE He IS part of the big family circles, and he isn’t the one defending it, You are. How does that make sense? It’s almost funny. AHA, Foster is an awakening human, and like me at 20, not interested in how the “normal” people lived, HE wasn’t interested in following his corrupted family values. Their Values were basically “Money over all else”.
No offence HT, but I bet at 20, you were thinking about making a lot of money, Probably how you could make a lot of money. That’s your trip in life, that is where you are at, so, I wish you the best, and hopefully, one day you will see the financial system for what it is to many of us, monetary enslavement, but if you want workers, then I guess You Love our system, , but I had big questions, and FOR ME. I saw a corrupt economic system. You see something else.
Maybe Hollywood, you are like a friend I know, that thinks we need lots of military and police to protect us from others. But that friend never called me anything like a racist,, just said they thought we needed protection from warlords and tyrants. I said, “our Government, they are the warlords and tyrants, (The canadian one, but of course I would include the untied states. and many others.)
Maybe you have a good idea, or maybe you don’t about living in peace with others HT, but it doesn’t look like it, so, You just call people names. Ghandi was called names, Dr. Martin Luther King jr was called names, so, you can call people anti-semitic, and conspiracy theorists, but obviously there is no point in talking,
I’m 47, and I’ve never been called a racist. That’s so laughable to all my friends that I showed your letter to on Facebook. (They said, wow, that guy is weird, and let’s face it, these are my friends, and I’m not normal, but for them to call you weird, bordering deranged, says something to you)Some people associate my ideas with Marxism or Communism or maybe like some call Peter Joseph, a utopianist, but why do my ideas make you so angry that you call me anti-semitic, and You told some woman that she is being watched.
So, I’m sorry to project this, and it may just cause another round of name calling from you, or doubt you will have anything intelligent to say in response to my letter.
Your wrong about two things HT, first, that “Everybody has their price”. Not surprising you said that if I’m correct about you at 20 years old thinking ‘Money”.
The funniest thing you said was “”"People are completely clueless about the comprehensive dossiers that Google has already collected on them and made available for all our security and intelligence agencies.”"”
ACTUALLY, many people on facebook (I guess you don’t have an account) say that it is tracked by the CIA, or similar agency, (and THE FUNNY thing is, if you weren’t claiming to work for surveillance, you’d be calling it a Conspiracy theory), and so, people are not clueless, and I WANT YOU TO KEEP WATCHING me, HT,,,why do you think I have a Facebook account at all???, so that one day maybe the brainwashed people doing the surveilance will see enough “awakening” stories and posts and beautiful ideas and Truth about how things are run, and Beauty about how things could be run, and compassion, and Love and Sharing, that you and your coworkers, will start living from your Heart….
Hey, One last thing to share with you before I go HT, maybe you’ve seen it on my facebook account, (Oh yeah, your not one of my friends, why don’t you send a FB friend request) The link is a short video on Ayahuasca ( I can’t wait to see how you debunk Ayahuasca or this doctor) and maybe you have already debunked/attacked it on the Reality/Sandwich site. I don’t care, I’ve never tried it, but it looks like maybe the only thing that will help You as it helped the doctor in the video.
Good luck my Friend,
Probably the last time I write, so I trust you will learn all you need to about being a caring thinking helping human, by watching me, and many others, that are good examples for you. We are ALL like children,when we get angry, so I’ll be gentle on you like you are 2 year old, and say, no Holly, we don’t hit people. Try this medicine. “The connectedness of all things”
You’re certainly jumping to a lot of conclusions here. Where have you seen anyone who opposes Thrive express total acceptance of the “banking system”? Where have you seen anyone who opposes Thrive state that they think the government is always right? Where do you get off assuming that, because I expose the factual errors, distortions and lies in conspiracy movies like Thrive, that this must mean I whole-heartedly support without question every action taken by government and economic agencies?
The problem with conspiracy nutters such as you, Treok, is you’re guilty of totally binary thinking. Nuance is something that completely escapes you. I’m not surprised that you think this way, as all the reasoning you’ve exhibited in your comments here has been extraordinarily shallow. It’s unfortunate that you approach complex problems with this degree of myopia. It’s especially unfortunate, if you’re indeed 47, that you haven’t learned in all those years that life is a bit more complex than your simple reductionist categories. But then again, Thrive is a very simplistic, simple-minded, dumbed-down movie that presents every issue it discusses in a shallow, two-dimensional, knee-jerk manner. The profound naivete and lack of intellectual curiosity behind the questions asked by the film demonstrates both the lack of critical thinking exhibited by its makers, and, more disturbingly, the contempt it has for its own audience. This is part of why movies like Thrive and Zeitgeist are so incredibly offensive to the intelligence. Movies like this don’t want to make you smarter, they want to make you stupider, because only by shutting off large sections of your brain can you swallow the half-baked ideology proffered by these films. It’s sad to see someone of your years as well as your obvious desire to improve the human condition taken in by this nonsense.
I hope that in the future you might someday be able to see the world from a broader and more rational perspective.
OMG! Treok my son! Surely you must be psychic!! I mean, how did you know that I have been craving an ayahuasca trip for the past decade? I’ve been shying away from it for two reasons. First I have a childhood phobia about throwing up, but more importantly, even though I live in LA and there are periodic ayahuasca parties here, I have shied away from them because the vibes were just not right.
But in listening to this medical doctor from Houston above, as well as visiting the website and treading the article on Reality Sandwich, I might just spring for this trip to Peru.
What’s sold me on it was reading this paragraph about the healing ladies, the curanderas who are in it for the healing, whereas so many of the male shamans are in it for the money as well as coming on to the naive young ladies from the US or Europe.
http://www.realitysandwich.com/aya_healing
In the often male-dominated world of curanderismo, it was refreshing to learn the center had six curanderas, maestras fresh from jungle towns around Pucallpa in the Shipibo heartland, women shamanas whose core focus was healing, not chasing the money that nowadays was part-and-parcel of the packaged shamanistic experience.
Anyway, lest we go off topic here, I want to suggest to you muertos, that you consider taking this ayahuasca retreat down in Peru. I checked out the prices and flights and the 12 day retreat would cost about US $2,000 and a round trip flight from the USA would run US $1100 – $1700, so you could swing it for about 4 thousand bucks.
See, muertos, my biggest criticism of your attitude here is that you are not Fortean. (In the sense of Charles Fort). You see, you are meticulously careful to keep yourself somehow immune to the craziness and irrationality of all the THRIVE defenders who show up here. And yet, if you were truly Fortean as a skeptic or a debunker, you would not be terrified of being infected by the insanity; rather, you would appreciate the fact that all the nonsense and pseudo-science and irrationality you vainly fight against here is really a projection of your own inner psychic state coming back at you from all these crazies — all of which I’m sure would leave a tell-tale race on an fMRI of your brain.
I’m not saying that you have created the reaiity of these THRIVE crazies, but I am saying you continually create the reality of your reactions against these THRIVE crazies, and that has you ever on the run.
Look muertos, there’s still hope for you. You wrote at the end of your most recent conspiracy theory shift piece that you felt like a dinosaur in trying to fight against the irrationality. Yes, you are a dinosaur, but you are a living dinosaur. You hold up James Randi as a role model, but Randi is already a dead dinosaur in the quixotic and silly battle against pseudo-science. In fact he is so dead to the world that I would classify him as already a fossil.
So too, Karl Popper and all the Popper-azzi who worship him like some rational god. And as the late Carl Sagan wrote, we are in that demon-haunted night and there’s a long night ahead of us.
You know you took the name muertos, very likely because you have a deep inner fear of death. But I don’t think it’s fear of your physical death; rather you fear the death of your rationality because it is simultaneously your very ego-identity — just as that fMRI study of the tempero-parietal junction (TPJ) showed.
In short, you fear the death of your ego identity if you were to allow yourself to be infected by the “virus” of pseudo-science and other THRIVE claims.
So let Treok here become your intellectual ayahuasca here.
Failing that, I urge you to read the late great philosopher of science at UC Berkeley, Paul Feyerabend (1924-1994) who would be at the very least, an epistemological ayahuasca trip for you.
Remember, you have nothing to lose but your ego identity. And you will find, like Narcissus seeing his reflection in the pond, that it was just an illusion all along, a Cartesian illusion.
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=16316
Here’s another great man, you said you aren’t interested in Muertos, Aaron Russo, Hollywoood movie producer that made a move called ‘AMERICA; FROM FREEDOM TO FASCISM” and he was called a conspiracy nut, just like you call me.
His movies, and others aren’t an insult to intelligence, you are the one with all the insults. As I have said, you have no original ideas, only name calling. You are the one acting in a shallow manner, obviously very afraid to admit that your government is not your friend, and so, nobody can get past your fear.
No point talking with you Muertos, so, I leave a message to HT, and you get involved with your nonsensical name calling again.
Here’s Aaron Russon, who you have to ignore, because his intelligence is light years beyond yours, I guess that’s why you said in another post, you are not discussing him, but I’m sure you can come up with a few names to call him….http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198
Hey, Treok, what say we take our vaudeville show over to Foster Gamble’s blog and stir up his saccharine cadre of New Age sycophants? God, they’re all so mind-numbingly boring! You can call me a fascist psychopath and I’ll call you back a Jew-hating neo-Nazi and give the Hitler salute. I’m sure they’ll kick us both off, but at least we’ll bring some needed comic relief to the moribund proceedings over there.
http://www.thrivemovement.com/FG-Kelly-Response.blog
I’ve already been stirring up trouble and I just answered a hopeful lady from Canada who demanded I come up with solutions to the word’s problems. Check out this exchange:
Honestly I really can’t believe that at the very basic principal someone is trying to “debunk” the Thrive movement.
muertos on his blog is not trying to debunk the THRIVE Movement. How could anyone possible debunk a movement? Rather, he is trying to debunk all the ludicrously false and fantastical claims — both scientific and historical — that are presented in the THRIVE movie as fact.
Does the theme not resonate with these debunkers? Is it so hard to believe that there is a group of people trying to make the world a better place?
Why do you imply here that the debunkers are not trying to make the world a better place? How incredibly arrogant of you!
If there is some untruths ( I haven’t seen the debunking the thrive movie) but to think that there are people out there that don’t get the idea of a common good.
Where do you get the arrogant and elitist idea that people who debunk the THRIVE movie don’t get the idea of the common good?
Tmas do you offer up any suggestions or solutions to the obvious downward spiral that we are in?
To offer a solution means that there is a problem. But since I don’t believe there’s a problem, then no, I have no solutions to offer. As for suggestions, I suggest that you learn to enjoy the plunge. This is human devolution in exhilarating chaotic destructive action. You’re right to call it a spiral. Airplane pilots know it as a “death spiral.” Once it starts there’s no way to break out of it. But not to worry: it gets better ;=)
Hey Hollywood,
Thanks for the invite, but I’m embarrassed to have joined this ridiculous site, making myself one of the Three Stooges with you and Muertos.
I see others are wasting their time as I have, attempting a real dialogue with you two.
Muertos comes in with the conspiracy-nut name calling, then you come in with the anti-semitic name calling, just as the Israeli Minister said you would, and of course, you ignored that link, as it debunks You.
Your intelligence is apparently far above Muertos(I guess he is a Private, the first round of attacker, and you a Sergeant), and Far above your intelligence is One of the men mentioned in Thrive, whom Muertos hasn’t debunked yet, and you have yet to call anti-semitic, New York State Teacher of the Year, John Taylor Gatto. Better for me to read his books than your infantile comments, my little brother. Thanks to Thrive, I found out about Mr. Gatto, and bought 3 copies of his book, “Weapons of Mass Instruction” to share with parents.
I think Hollywood, you fall into the category described by the 26 year old son of an oil executive when he said to a panel reviewing an oil pipeline plan…
“”Based on my experience, what I learned was that the global system of infinite growth attracts men and woman of a certain… level of understanding, a certain type of person who will be attracted to the ideals of the current economic measurement that coordinates the global psychology of things, and a type of person who externalizes themselves and detaches from connection, and so whole-heartedly believes in their reality, their perception of things, that they project their fears out onto everyone else — and their ego becomes the driver, blindly leading them down a path of self-destruction. AND THEY ARE PEOPLE OF HIGH INTELLECTUAL PROWESS, BUT HAVE UNFORTUNATELY YET TO DEVELOP THE DEEP WISDOM THAT WE ALL POSSESS WITHIN US AS HUMAN BEINGS.”
That kid has a brain and wisdom Hollywood, you just have brain. You could put it to use in reading a book(trilogy) I loved that is 800 pages long,(but I doubt you could make it past the foreword) called “My Big TOE(theory of everything) by Thomas Campbell. He is a nuclear physicist, that says he has non physical friends, and that the point of life is to lower our entropy. We can lower our entropy two ways, by being more loving, or more controlling.
Evolve, becoming more conscious, loving beings, or do as you stated Hollywood, de-evolve, which is done by being more controlling, like those in power.
I have chosen the path of no religion, biggest conspiracies going, never interested in them at all, but interested in Humanity, not a christian, but love the messages of Jesus. I guess Hollywood, you would call Jesus a Jew hater for throwing the money lenders out of the temple, and your type killed Jesus two thousand years ago, and here you are still defending the banks and our corrupt money system, because you have given up, and think we are in a death spiral, which we are, but some of us haven’t given up.
I’m a sports fan, and I don’t leave a game with two minutes to go with my team down by 3 touchdowns, or in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs , and down by 4 runs.
And whether this planet’s beauty get’s totally destroyed by the likes of you and Muertos, you are correct, it get’s better. I evolve, and one day, leave this life and planet for a more evolved one, and you de-evolve to leave this life, and come back to this planet, or one in worse shape.
Life is just a game Hollywood, the goal, to become a more Loving conscious being, so, it looks like I’m winning and you are losing my little brother. But as you’ve said, that’s no problem, you get more chances after you’ve blown this one, because in life, as you said, “Once it starts there’s no way to break out of it” so even in so-called dying,( We don’t die, just leave our body, and move on) there is no escape.
Consciousness is everything. It is evolving. We get to choose to evolve, or kinda fizzle out. Happy fizzling Hollywood and Muertos.
I guess you two have work for ever with all these shows coming out regarding the corrupt banks, from Aaron Russo’s, America: from Freedom to fascism, to the Zeitgeist movies, to Ethos, to, Oh Canada the movie, and the list keeps growing, as Consciousness keeps growing. You can’t stop Consciousness any more than you can stop the planet from spinning, but just like Cypher in THE MATRIX, you two are happy to help the Agents, so long as you get to be in the pod, and have the illusion of the good life.
Adios Amigos.
Enjoy the dark side, and remember, if you ever choose Love, the lightside is always happy to recieve you, but, many can’t handle the reality of it, and so, stay in the dark for the paycheck, or other benifits.
I now go back to my regualr life and leave you to attack Jesus and other Lovers of Life.
I skimmed through the movie Thrive, and was struck by some interesting points.
Yes, the globalists are screwing all of us. We know that. At least, anyone who has paid attention and can think past “Mommy, why can’t I have another cookie?” knows that.
Yes, they are suppressing forms of energy which threaten their control of money. Not everyone knows that, but I do, having personally witnessed it many times in my life. Do the math, and try not to vomit while you think like the globalists: if it is cheaper to suppress you than it is try to control a potentially un-taxable energy source, then they will suppress you. Also, not all the scientists who have had their patents classified know that if they spend money they don’t have for an attorney to file a claim, they might get some compensation. Or killed, whichever seems easier to the boys in power at the time. So precious few of those whose patents are classified have ever filed anything.
So Thrive is very seductive for those who already know these things to be fact. Therefore, I listened to see if I could identify an agenda. However, I was stopped cold by one point that I could not get past. Adam Trombly.
I have observed over the decades that people will throw any amount of money at entertainment, smoke-and-mirrors, someone who talks a good line. But show them something REAL, and they run scared, tail between legs. Thrive interviews Trombly, but not the scientists who actually built the devices that he talks all new-agey about. And while Trombly is talking about “his” generator, he is showing stolen digital photos of a device that he had nothing to do with designing or building, and is not even really a “generator” for electricity (according to the inventor, it was built to test an effect, not to produce energy per se). Want proof? No problem:
http://www.globalenergysys.net/AdamTrombly_Thrive_homopolargenerator.html
While you are there, take a look around the site and see what folks are doing on their own, without funding, and staying away from all the agencies and controllers. The technology is out there, but real scientists are paranoid after they have been slammed to the ground a few times. The only safe avenue left to them is to offer parts and pieces (of what could be complete new systems) to existing large companies to improve the efficiency of what they are already manufacturing. In other words, sneak it in, in a non-threatening manner.
Otherwise they risk being 1) viciously slandered by self-proclaimed “experts” at universities who are totally owned by industry, and want to discredit new technologies at all costs if they are too efficient, and/or 2) taken over, as it appears just happened to Defkalion after a successful LENR (“cold fusion”) demonstration.
I cannot imagine that Gamble was incapable of contacting any of those scientists to interview someone who really knows what they are talking about. So why pick a flake like Trombly? Almost as if they wanted to discredit the actual advanced work being done in hyper-efficient (nothing is “free”) energy, and make it all look like a conspiracy theory.
Why, when the truth would be more convincing?
Like my favorite author once pointed out, the best way to lie is to tell the truth unconvincingly. Is that what we are seeing here?
Yo Non Fiction!
I moderate a Yahoo discussion group where Foster Gamble himself has been a subscriber for 14 years. I just posted this on my Arthur Young forum. I can guarantee a response from Foster about it. Stay tuned.
Hollywood Tomfortas,
Thriver to the Stars!
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Foster,
It’s a shame that you didn’t have sense enough to vet these wacko people before you immortalized them in your film. Looks like your energy hero Adam Trombly may actually be a classic conniving New Age huckster like so many other mother-hucksters you did and did not include in THRIVE.
Hmmm, sniff, sniff! Is that a lawsuit I smell off in the distance?
I hope you sell a lot of DVDs, Foster, you know how greedy those lawyers are!!!
Tom
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http://www.globalenergysys.net/AdamTrombly_Thrive_homopolargenerator.html
Correcting the Record
Adam Trombly, Thrive, and the Homopolar Generator
A new movie has been produced by Foster Gamble, called Thrive. In it the
filmmaker interviews Adam Trombly about suppressed technologies. Trombly talks about a generator that he and Kahn developed, but the generator that he shows in the photos (both on his website and in the film) are NOT of his closed path homopolar generator, they are photos of a device invented and built entirely by David Farnsworth in 1996. Farnsworth was also the man who invented, designed, and built the solid state generator with the 54:1 output ratio that was shown working by Farnsworth & Trombly to the U.S. Congress in 1989 right before Adam went and spoke to the United Nations.
How do we know this? Farnsworth is one of the consulting engineers who sometimes works with GES, and he has graciously agreed to allow us to post a few of the original photos of his generator taken with a Polaroid in his lab in Oregon. To help you compare them to Trombly’s photos, we have also included one of them below. There is a world of difference between those who can and do, and those who only talk and build their own egos. The GES team is real.
We can only presume that Gamble, the filmmaker, does not understand the
situation. If a man will tell a “small” lie, then how can anyone believe
anything they say? Such behavior only harms the credibility of the real
alternative energy science community.
I can hardly wait!
Wait no more! Here is Foster Gamble’s response just posted on the Arthur Young forum. I seem to be his “go-to-scapegoat” for unloading his fears, anxiety and rage.
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Tom,
You have apparently not done any meaningful due diligence on this guy, on David Icke, on the Global Domination Agenda or on my integrity.
Yet you continue to spew toxic innuendo with your classist, racist and now “cult” accusations.
You have acknowledged that you have no solutions to offer, yet you devote much time to undermining anyone who does.
[He quotes me from an earlier post]
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To offer a solution means that there is a problem. But since I don’t believe there’s a problem, then no, I have no solutions to offer. As for suggestions, I suggest that you learn to enjoy the plunge. This is human devolution in exhilarating chaotic destructive action. You’re right to call it a spiral. Airplane pilots know it as a “death spiral.” Once it starts there’s no way to break out of it. But not to worry…
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Apparently you want to take as many as possible down with you.
You have not answered my repeated questions and your offerings muddle and distract what might otherwise be interesting and fruitful interactions.
This might be just an unfortunate series of episodes — as happens on many sites when the trolls and haters destroy any purposeful threads by infecting a comment board with their negative and substanceless tirades…scaring off authentic, constructive contributors in the process…except for the fact that you took on the responsibility of curating this site. You called it elsewhere, “my Arthur Young” group.
Speaking personally, I am embarrassed for Arthur with what you have been doing here – not just to me and to THRIVE, but to courageous investigators, whistleblowers, inventors and so many others as well.
From what I knew of Arthur, I believe you dishonor his legacy and he would be horrified.
When you showed a glimmer of authentic inquiry and open minded engagement, the interactions blossomed.
When you do the type of vicious attacks you have been posting recently, the group enters awkward and prolonged silences.
I know you like to characterize yourself as “stirring the pot” and “baiting” people to get conversation going. But it is not working.
This is not the humor or wisdom of the court jester you like to project yourself as.
When you crap in the punchbowl, you might get some attention, but it doesn’t make others want to stay at the party.
I have sought honest and informed feedback all my life, but I am not getting any value out of what you are doing.
I find it empty and hurtful and I have had enough. Thanks to your behavior, I am sad to say that participation with this list no longer aligns sufficiently with my purpose or path. I have a lot more empowering and effective things to do than to keep encountering your tone and intention.
Unless I see real signs of authentic engagement and kindness by Tuesday night, I will unsubscribe from this list at that time.
Good luck with your own soul-searching,
Foster
WHAT?
What did all that gibberish mean, or have to do with what you posted about the generator? Please tell me it isn’t so…
??? He actually pulled out the “racist” card in response to the stolen photos? That is “authentic engagement”? In what dimension, pray tell? “Cult”? Where did that come from? Was this actually posted in reply to the post that you quoted above, or something else entirely??? There appears to be no connection whatsoever. My head is spinning from such a severe case of acute logic withdrawals, if in fact this is not some absurd mistake. Maybe it’s a remote-control contact hallucination. Good grief.
See, this is exactly why I have issues with these folks. How’s this for genuine kindness – they have yet to respond to the man whose photos were used. But I guess that would not align with their purpose. I think soul-searching is in order, alright.
This indicates worse things about motives than what I would have guessed even in a cynical moment. Very, very sad indeed.
Whoa, Non Fiction! You need to understand the context and history here. First of all, the only reference to Farnsworth and the generator is in Foster’s opening sentence.
You have apparently not done any meaningful due diligence on this guy, . . .
So consider yourself and Mr. Farnsworth and GES to be . . . officially and completely . . . blown off!
Everything that follows is the resumption of our ongoing “blood feud” that broke out last September when Foster announced on the forum the trailer for THRIVE and I criticized him for putting David Icke in his movie. He and I have a personal history that goes back 31 years and you could say that we are expressing the nastiness of a deep “sibling rivalry” because our “father” is the late Arthur M. Young (1905-1995) the inventor of the Bell-47 helicopter (in 1947), founder of the Institute for the Study of Consciousness in Berkeley, and the man from whom Foster Gamble got the idea of the torus. Perhaps you might consider me as Foster Gamble’s “evil twin brother” separated at the birth of THRIVE.
As for your photos and acknowledgement, I can guarantee that you will get no acknowledgement whatsoever from Foster and his gang. That’s why I brought up the issue of a lawsuit. If you have a Procter and Gamble fortune to spend on lawyers, then by all means, sue the bastard! But short of that, you don’t exist in the universe or is it the dimension of the THRIVE movement.
In the meantime, I suggest you bring yourself up to speed by reading all through this blog, both articles and comments. Start with the article “Who is Adam Trombly?” and then read “Who is David Icke?”
Thanks for clarifying that, because for that to be a response to the post about the generator would be certifiably psycho. What a relief that it is only borderline nuts.
Pretty humorous for HIM to say that anyone else has not “done any meaningful diligence”, when he is the one promoting a man who offers stolen photos of someone else’s work to prop up his credibility. If it were not so sick and twisted, this would be funny.
I, on the other hand, know far more than I am free to say without infringing on the privacy of others. I will say that the Myth vs Reality on that webpage with the photos is highly appropriate.
So the option that the movie is deliberate misdirection is looking more probable all the time. Another circus act to direct the anger and frustration of people who are only just now starting to wake up.
The left-brainers will categorically reject the movie, thereby negating the validity of theories contained therein which are actually correct, and the right-brainers will respond like outraged groupies whenever facts are questioned. Those of us who use both hemispheres just stand back and smell an agenda.
Non Fiction,
I like what you say about left vs. right brain. I’m actually doing neurofeedback out here in LA-LA Land, so it’s highly ironic and amusingly appropriate that you should make these distinctions.
I also realize the restrictions on your freedom of public expression. So here’s a plan. I would like you to join the Arthur Young Yahoo group where you can then directly confront Foster Gamble himself about the claims of Trombly in the movie.
Also since I am the moderator, I will then have your own e-mail address in order to approve you as a member, so we can have a private e-mail exchange about the cast of characters involved in this melodrama.
here is the forum page
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arthur/
Click on [Join This Group] and I advise setting your option to [No e-mail. I'll read it on the web]
OK, done. I warn you, I have a wicked sense of humor and have been known to ask really uncomfortable questions when the topic gets controversial and folks tend to react instead of think. For some reason that makes people feel threatened, can’t imagine why.
I also spend large amounts of to-the-wall work time away from my computer, so will be a random poster.
Hi folks, me again. The effluvia is striking the rotating cooling device…check the latest information on the GES website from Farnsworth himself (I think he’s getting irritated) about Trombly and the generator:
http://www.globalenergysys.net/AdamTrombly_Thrive_homopolargenerator.html
Then go look at the company’s Photos page. Somehow they look a lot more serious and authentic than Trombly.
Foster told the yahoo group some nonsense about how the “two inventors” are “sorting out” details, to “achieve clarity”, then goes on to insinuate slander against Farnsworth (personal attacks in lieu of facts, the most tired old tactic in the book). But Farnsworth said as of last night that no one has contacted him, so what Foster said is not even true. Not even a decent brush-off to sound good to his friends. I’m not favorably impressed.
My question:
If the invention that Farnsworth and Trombly collaborated on and showed to Congess was a solid-state generator, why haven’t any of these people questioned why Trombly is trying to claim credit for a device of Farnsworth’s that is OBVIOUSLY not a solid-state device??? That was my first question when I saw that photo….so it doesn’t take a genius to see the truth here.
What is quite comical is your repeated need to state that, I this, and I that…
What makes what you have to say any less non sense then what you claim Mr. Gamble is saying, and by the way, He is not alone, do you debunk Deepak Chopra, David Icke, and the others? It is quite sad to see such mindless dribble with such passionate effort just wasted….
Perhaps, you should consider what you are really saying…
Are you one of them, that would turn in their own grandmother, because her worldview differs from yours, i think you might!
How very disturbed you must be to believe that you will be spared from their plans for you! You will not…
Time is short my friend, you would be better served to focus on survival, and not your false allegiance to the corporate families…
As Mr T says…” I pity the fool”
None of my comments were about anyone’s world view – in fact, I even agreed with most of them. My problem was theft and lies. How is theft of photos a worldview? How does lying help to wake people up? Grow up.
At least the photos are off their website, now they need to complete the job of taking them out of the movie.
Discussion is required to learn however, to take a piece of information, like you have done about the legitimacy of a machine, and to ridicule the entire message of Thrive, seems to be childish to say the least…
Why do you not want humans to thrive?
regardless of Foster Gambles message, the other have bee stating the same message for years, where were you then?
You seem to put a lot at risk just to slam something you don’t agree with, yet I find to be absolutely the most important thing I have ever seen.
And I am a network engineer, with status and intelligence, so tell me that I am duped by Mr. Gamble but not by the TPTB?
You like to create strawman arguments? That will not work with me. I never said any of the things you are assuming here, only that Trombly showed stolen photos and lied about what the devices in the photos actually do and who invented them. He is no more credible than TPTB, and in fact plays into their hands when he acts in such a disreputable manner. THAT is what ticked me off. Please learn to read before you make accusations that make you look silly.
Why have you gone to such great lengths to discredit Thrive? Who is paying you? The website makes you seem like a grumpy, bitter old man. You sound like Steven Barrett, who gets paid to be a professional skeptic with regards to alt medicine.
What will you do if you are proven wrong? Will you make a public retraction? Or will you pretend you are still right? Most likely, you will search for something new to try to debunk.
Thrive can’t be debunked!
Only humans are ignorant enough to allow an unnatural construct called society, with its dogma academics, metered energy grid, metered fuel source, fictitious money and divide & conquer tactics of warfare and religion that is a plague upon life itself.
No other creatures!
We think we are so smart, we are morons, following idiots!
There are a few awaken souls that try to help us but, we try to destroy them as well.
Perhaps we don’t deserve to exist on this planet.
But people like the person who runs this attack website, would damn us all, for their deluded satisfaction, which is their own demise…SO BE IT!
This site is worthy of DoS attacks by Anonymous!
Fight fire with fire right?
You think I should be censored, do you?
I rather doubt that Anonymous would opt to become the personal army (Rule 65) of a something that is akin to Scientology in nuttiness. That said, I liked R’s comment at 4:08. It was pretty funny with the internal contradictions; but the grammatical errors were the embellishment that made it truly great.
Your right!
That’s what freedom is isn’t it?
The two opposing sides of expression…
That which one would spend a lifetime defending, another would spend a life time attacking…Touche’
You are untitled to your opinion, as are we all.
It’s just unfortunate that we can’t agree that the real enemy is those that lie to us, and design a prison where we are our own guards!
The cosmic shift will have to be my voice, and perhaps those that cam awaken will, and then we can fight the good fight, and free ourselves of enslavement by the few for there profit and illusion of power. Every dog has his day!
I also strongly agree, time is very, very short, awaken, wake up!
All you really need do is take the approach that its a safe probability to say to yourself, I could be wrong, am I willing to defend a beleif that may lead me into oblivion? Wake Up, Wake Up! When the cosmic clock stokes midnite time is up! At the very least, discover the fraud perpetrated against you, the foundations of science are but, 1 side of the coin, the other side is hidden from you perhaps, research Dr. Walter Russell will help you learn that. Unlock yourself from the chains of enslavement, find your true self, and you will be free!
Thank you to all the supporters of Thrive coming out against this guy who is either paid to do this and create a stir, or this guy who has no life and dedicated our tax payers money (because he probably does not have a job living on welfare) so he can type away at something that could remove his comforts and welfare paycheck…either or.
Good bye, considerate alternative other
The comments by paranoid delusional’s and politically biased noobs are priceless.
I love how the entire comment section is littered with the rantings of crazy people, hell bent on accusing anyone that disagrees with their insanity as being government agents.
The shit is so funny, it is hard to believe so many people are this crazy.