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One World Governments–Debunked!

By SlayerX3

This article which debunks the ridiculous “one world government” conspiracy nonsense in Thrive is closely related to my previous article about “world domination conspiracies,” and Muertos’s article debunking the Global Domination Agenda.

The Norm Prison

At 1:18:02 of Thrive David Icke speaks about the fear of what other people think. He cites the ridicule he went through when he lost that fear and decided to speak out. (I’m sure the ridicule has nothing to do with the things he publicly speaks being completely unfounded and insane).

He states how by dictating what is right and wrong, weird and normal, the Illuminati/GDE (Global Domination Elite) have created a prison for the population who is afraid to speak its own mind.

His main point is how these groups would use norms and social standards to keep people from stepping out and showing their “uniqueness,” for if they did the rest of the society would shun them. This would create a social prison where you’re not as afraid of the reaction from the “elites” as you are of the reaction from your relatives, friends and co-workers.

There is a problem with this line of thought, however. Social norms have existed since humans started to live in society and as society changed so did the norms. Social norms weren’t invented by some “global elite.”

I’m certain this segment is aimed towards the people who honestly believe in conspiracy theories, in an attempt to vindicate their status as social rejects.

Icke’s argument seems to equate believing in conspiracy theories–free energy and other pseudoscience–with social injustices. Like a few decades ago interracial marriage and gay marriage were taboos (in some places they still are) but the norms changed for those to be accepted.

But you can’t equate ridiculing someone’s conspiracy beliefs with social injustice. They’re not the same thing. Thrive’s and Icke’s claims have no foundation in reality, and I don’t mean the reality of what is acceptable and what is not. I mean that these beliefs have absolutely no foundation in observable facts. Gamble and Icke make absurd statements and expect people to accept them as if they were a completely valid view of the world.

If you’re an adult male who goes to a “My Little Pony” fan convention you can’t expect people not to give you weird looks. And you shouldn’t expect people to accept that shape shifting reptilians control the world, the Illuminati is responsible for everything important since the 19th century and that Elvis Presley was an alien without them thinking there is something wrong in your head. While the former is a matter of taste and generally harmless, the later represents a group of beliefs that have no foundation in reality, and is extremely harmful.

The World Government Unions

The European Union

Gamble claims the GDE has plans to split the world in several power blocks to make it easier to control. He cites the European Union and the African Union as examples and mention how the Pacific and American Union are on their way.

If I were to talk about how the European Union worked in real life it’d take an entire full length article just to do that, so I’ll summarize and show how things aren’t exactly what Gamble thinks they are.

The European Union is a loose federation of countries, that include most of Europe, with the intent to ease the movement of people and merchandise across its members’ borders. Defense is in the hands of NATO (which includes the U.S.A and Canada).

It has achieved these goals by unifying the currency, applying several legislative policies that are voted on in the EU parliament with the approval of each of its member states.

I also have to mention that the countries who have adopted the Euro as a currency are referred as the Eurozone. Some member states decided to maintain their own currency, like Sweden and the United Kingdom.

There are as many arguments against the EU as there are in favor of it. It is worth mentioning that even among the EU members it is common to disagree with each other whenever a new law or policy is to be applied.

The most recent example is the Greek financial crisis and the “austerity measures” proposed by Germany and France which are being opposed or severely criticized by several other EU members, especially Portugal, Spain and Greece.

Most of the laws (save those on importation tariffs, unions and industry regulations) aren’t directly imposed on its member states. Nor does the EU dictate the policies its members will adopt in their own countries as long as it doesn’t directly harm other members.

http://www.brugesgroup.com/HowEULawsAreMade.pdf

http://www.ngoeuconnect.ie/content.php?area=3

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/index_en.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union (This splits into several sub sections and main pages)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

http://www.economicshelp.org/dictionary/c/criticism-eu.html

http://econ.economicshelp.org/2008/04/problem-with-euro.html

This is not a unified “world government” body. It just isn’t.

The African Union

The AU is a political block to push for development within Africa’s borders, defend Africa’s interests and security and promote democratic governments and human rights.

If you have been keeping tabs on the news, you know the AU exists on paper only.

With its massive history of corruption, internal conflict and sheer incompetence, the African Union is anything but unified.

Claiming the AU has created a unified Africa is almost comical. The AU reactions to Somalia’s lawless state, Sudan’s Darfur humanitarian crisis and Libya’s civil war can only be described as totally absent.

Along the history of ethnic, religious and political conflict and with at least one war with one African state against another or a civil war within a member state occurring at least once every decade makes the African Union the exact opposite of what a unified continent should look like. Not to mention the continent is rife with poverty and disease giving the AU more important problems to deal with than trying to take over Africa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/Problems-Plaguing-the-AU-Forces.pdf

The American Union

Gamble claims an American Union is on its way citing trade policies involving the USA, Canada and Mexico (forgetting both South and Central America).

While there are free trade treaties with those countries, there is no political will to unify the American continent. There are people who advocate a unified America much like the European Union. Politicians and citizens from left and right (see what I did there?) have vocal stands against such a union. South and Latin American countries fear more US intervention, abusive policies and lack of sovereignty and the US fears massive immigration, the loss of power in case the US dollar gets replaced by the Amero (theoretical Trans-American currency) and being saddled with the burden of solving several of those countries’ problems.

If the proposed American Union also includes the Central and South American nations, there will be even more problems than just turning the USA, Canada and Mexico into a Union.

There is a massive anti-American sentiment in South and Central America mostly due to past policies US imposed in South and Central America during the Cold War and the economic practices the US adopts which are viewed as unfair in most South and Central American nations.

There is also a strong nationalist fervor and idealism against imperialistic policies (which without doubt the Unification would be perceived as so) within South and Central American countries.

Even if you decided to unify South America into a South American Union there would be a strong political and civil resistance against it. It’s just not going to happen.

The closest thing we have is the Mercosul, which is another free-trade-treaty accepted by most of the South American countries. This is also a source of major political and economic disputes among its members.

NAFTA is currently the only integration treaty ratified by USA, Canada and Mexico. It is a political and economic treaty to promote free trade among those countries.

There is a good share of conspiracy theories regarding the creation of an North American Union, specially about the proposed NAFTA super highway (firmly opposed by Ron Paul).

Why is creating an American Union a challenge? The only fully developed countries in the Americas, economically speaking, are USA and Canada. While most European countries have similar political and economic set ups (which facilitated the creation of the EU), the American continent doesn’t have this advantage. USA’s economic policies are radically different from Canada’s and Mexico’s, let alone all the other Latin American countries. For example, Brazil has major differences with Argentina and Venezuela in how their economies function, and integrating those differences into a single power block would be a political and economic nightmare. Who would make decisions? How would anything get done?

Creating a Union would force the USA and Canada to elevate the status and the condition of all the other members, given the state of poverty the majority of the countries in the Americas are in. This alone would be a gargantuan task big enough to stop a unification process in its tracks.

In the real world, discussions about “unifying” American countries weren’t about creating a European Union-like power, but instead stimulating better cooperation and integration among the American nations using the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP) as a mediator.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercosur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_currency_union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement_%28NAFTA%29_Superhighway_System

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_and_Prosperity_Partnership_of_North_America

http://factcheck.org/2008/02/wrong-paul/

Pacific Union

Australia is already a member of the Commonwealth and feels little need to integrate itself with the rest of Asia. Japan and China hate each other. North Korea and South Korea unification is a nightmare by itself and if you want to have an idea of how troublesome it would be creating a Pacific Union, put all the issues I mentioned in the American Union with the ones in the African Union together.

Thrive’s lack of gasp in geopolitics is astonishing. Gamble simply doesn’t understand how the world works.

One World Government and “Economic Hit Men”

At 1:20:48 Gamble shows videos of the EU leaders talking about “Global Governance,” again taking it out of context. Both videos refer to how governments all over the globe worked to avoid the worsening of the economic crisis that started in 2008 and the efforts of the G8 and G20 to cope with the economic issues. Both also deal with mentions to create a set of rules to stabilize the financing sectors across the world and the importance of the G20 in future policy making.

Gamble claims groups like the World Health Organization, World Trade Organization, the World Bank and the IFM are tools for the GDE to impose their plans.

Full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfnTOm3xZp0&feature=related (The part shown on Thrive is at 0:25:00)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIFvwwIFZ58

The “Economic Hit Man”

Gamble introduces the controversial book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins. The book is about how governments and corporations employ “economic hit men” to bribe leaders in undeveloped countries and “Jackals” to assassinate leaders who don’t comply.

This book was met with a lot of criticism, from how poorly written and simplified it was to the absence of citations and complete vagueness in its assertions.

The book itself is Perkins’s account of the job he did. As for its veracity, basically he says “trust my word on this one.” The book has also been criticized for several inaccuracies regarding policy making and how intelligence agencies work. For example, attributing the NSA (cryptography and code breaking) to an economic organization.

Perkins has explored the conspiracy theory ground both in his book and in his interviews. As result he has become popular in conspiracy theory circles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perkins_%28author%29

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/26/AR2006022601265.html

http://www.putnampit.com/reviews/hitman2.htm

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/business/yourmoney/19confess.html?pagewanted=all (The text of the interview I mentioned, which is the clip shown in Thrive)

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2006/February/20060202155604atlahtnevel6.165713e-02.html

The reverse Hanlon’s razor

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.“

The above is an idea called Hanlon’s Razor. Gamble and Ms. Fitts subvert Hanlon’s Razor by claiming the government is not only using its incompetence as a facade to hide its plans, but is actually extremely competent in furthering its plans.

I could fill this article with examples of how this is wrong, but I’m just going to cite the latest. SOPA and PIPA, law that would have given corporations and the government a green light to do as they wanted with the Internet, didn’t pass despite heavy political support and corporate lobbyism. If the government can’t pass laws like this, how are they supposed to create a “one world government?”

Pyramids of information

Right after this, David Icke discusses the “pyramid organization” where the knowledge of the real intentions of the GDE decrease the further down the pyramid you go. Icke cites the Manhattan Project as an example of how such big secret can be kept hidden.

Bad example, the Manhattan Project did have leaks. They stemmed from accidents, incompetence and active espionage. If that was the case how did Gamble stumble with all his “evidence” and lived to tell the tale?

https://www.fas.org/irp/ops/ci/docs/ci2/2ch1_f.htm

There is also a big difference between the Manhattan Project and the kind of “secret” Icke claims is being hidden here. The Manhattan Project was a plan to win the war, which everybody thought was a good goal. People were not likely to object to something that would win the war for their side and save millions of lives. With the GDE plan though, you have to convince people to do something they wouldn’t otherwise want to do. You just couldn’t do it. Also, keep in mind the Manhattan Project existed for a very short period of time (1942 to 1945). You didn’t have to keep it secret for very long. The GDE has to be kept secret over decades or even centuries. It just wouldn’t work.

Conclusion

I’ve shown here how these “one world government” theories are false. Gamble and Icke don’t understand how the world really works, they take information out of context and hope nobody will notice. I noticed.

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Mr. Anon says : August 30, 2012 at 4:55 am
Thanks for covering this. Great work as usual, SlayerX!

An interesting point is that Michio Kakou, in one of his latest books, actually points to many of the same “globalization” trends that Gamble does. Only he sees this as a good things, signaling a move towards a Type I civilization. I am not sure why Gamble opposes efforts at diplomacy and world peace through organizations such as the UN. His libertarian utopia would create xenophobia, and by extension, bigotry and international disputes.
- Don says : September 23, 2012 at 6:41 pm
  The Title of the article is…”One world Governments-DeBunked”…
  
  Yet Mr. Anon correctly quotes Physicist Michio Kaku about Globalization and One World Government……Thus Mr. Gamble ( and others) are Correct about the Push for a One-World Gov’t.
  
  This DeBunks the “debunking” article itself.
  - nicoburns says : October 1, 2012 at 8:04 pm
    There is however a big difference between a public, democratic, and agreed upon world government (which would likely be very beneficial to the world), and some kind of hidden conspiracy which supposedly already exists (which would be bad if it did, but is a load of nonsense).
  - Wyboth says : October 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm
    Don, it seems like all that you heard from that comment was: “blah blah blah Michio Kaku blah blah blah One World Government.” Dr. Kaku is not pushing for a world government. He is simply noting the advancements in the global economy over the past few decades. He also speculates what the world might be like if these trends continue. Nowhere does he mention the type of One World Government Gamble refers to, nor does he push for one. Get your facts straight.
  - Geeza says : August 20, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    Well said Don the debunkers of this world will always run round in circles to convince those who will listen that this is all BS yet tie themselves in knots when they do…those who see it all as a load of nonsense should try opening thier eyes. Can any of you out there answer one simple question?…why do banks get bailed out when there is never money for health, education or pensioners etc? those of you who do not believe in the global elite just strengthen their position and make it easier for them to carry on their plans.
  - conspiracykiller says : August 20, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    “why do banks get bailed out when there is never money for health, ”
    
    Two words “The economy”.
    
    You should try opening your own eyes to reality rather than fantasy,
- Stephen says : September 22, 2013 at 7:39 pm
  I am not a fan of conspiracy theories, however I do take umbrage with your comment, ” I mean that these beliefs have absolutely no foundation in observable facts.” With that, I believe you lost credibility. There are a number of observable facts that would lead individuals to believe One World Government conspiracy is fact rather than theory. For example, From the beginning of its inception, the Council on Foreign Relations has been committed to “a one-world government based on a centralized global financing system….”
  
  In 1992, Henry Kissenger made the following comment at a Bilderberg group meeting,
  “Today, Americans would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow, they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil….individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by their world government.”
  
  Co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski, wrote in his Between Two Ages – America’s Role in the Technotronic Era:
  “people, governments and economies of all nations must serve the needs of multinational banks and corporations. (The Constitution is) inadequate….the old framework of international politics, with their sphere of influence….the fiction of sovereignty….is clearly no longer compatible with reality….” Today the TC is global.
  
  I could list many events, steps taken, groups formed, and activities of groups that would certainly lead many to believe there is reason for concern regarding the loss of our country’s sovereignty.
  
  Yes, sir there are some observable facts that support the One World Government conspiracist’s theories.
  - conspiracykiller says : September 22, 2013 at 11:45 pm
    To paraphrase you.
    
    ” I am not a conspiracy theorist”
    
    “However, i believed in all of these conspiracy theories , due to my misinterpretation and careless attempts to understand the claims critically and correctly”
    
    If only you knew how silly you just made yourself look.
  - Joel T. says : September 24, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. First, the only confirmation of Kissenger’s supposed 1992 comment to the Bilderberg group is from conspiracy theory websites. Or, in short, that “fact” is fake.
    
    You might want to check Brzezinski’s quote, there. Since you didn’t give any reference information, I tried to find those lines in the book using search functions. No such luck. It appears that someone made that quote up and trusted that no conspiracy theorist would have actually read the book or would have bothered looking them up. Of course, a computer search of the book might have missed something, so do feel free to provide the citation information.
    
    The Trilateral Commission has always been “global.” That was its original intention: to foster cooperation and communication and to discourage unilateral action by anyone that harmed the best interests of the whole. So the fact that it’s global is rather irrelevant
    
    Stephen, of your presented facts, none of them are real. Conspiracy theorist lies do not in any way support the One World Government claptrap.
  - Mr. Anon says : September 25, 2013 at 3:13 am
    I notice Stephen’s quote by Brzezinski is filled with quite a few elipses. Does anyone have a full context for it?
    
    Also the Kissinger quote is heavily disputed and there doesn’t seem to be any evidence for it: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger#Misattributed
    
    Finally, in general you know a post is heavily fact-deficient when it’s main evidence is quotes from figures, rather than actual actions, events, and exchanges that are needed to support such an extraordinary claim.
  - conspiracykiller says : September 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    The top of page 28, the quote can be seen in it’s entirety.
    
    “The “new” nationalism has many elements of the old nationalism, especially in some of the new
    nations. There nationalism is still a radical, changing force creatively mobilizing community feelings but also 28
    prompting ethnic exclusiveness and conflicts.* Yet it is generally true, as the author of a suggestive paper notes,
    that “the vision and objectives of society [have] changed. Today a new concept of man and his world is challenging the concepts of the Renaissance which have guided man’s behavior for the past five hundred years.” The nationstate as a fundamental unit of man’s organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: “International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of
    the political concepts of the nationstate.” 44 But as the nationstate is gradually yielding its sovereignty, the psychological importance of the national community is rising, and the attempt to establish an equilibrium
    between the imperatives of the new internationalism and the need for a more intimate national community is the
    source of frictions and conflicts”
  - conspiracykiller says : September 25, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    Actually my bad he has quoted a different area of the book.
    
    He has used this:
    
    “2. International Prospects
    Tension is unavoidable as man strives to assimilate the new into the framework of the old. For a time the
    established framework resiliently integrates the new by adapting it in a more familiar shape. But at some point
    the old framework becomes overloaded. The new input can no longer be redefined into traditional forms, and eventually it asserts itself with compelling force. Today, though the old framework of international politics — with their spheres of influence, military alliances between nationstates, the fiction of sovereignty, doctrinal conflicts arising from nineteenthcentury crises—is clearly no longer compatible with reality.”
    
    Taken from page 104
  - conspiracykiller says : September 25, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    As can be seen it is a massacre of the original sentencing, and has been paraphrased and misquoted.It has even been placed in a context that was never originally there.
    
    Brzezinski is a controversial writer, he always has been, his take on international politics particularly Communism which he has a particular dislike for could be considered calculated. However he is a strategist and writer on international political interactions, so his work will always cause people who disagree to get angry or point fingers at the content.
    
    Context is everything and we have to know who the writer is and what exactly they are trying to say before claiming paranoid conspiracy theories.
    
    In Brzezinski’s case he has been surrounded by politicians people love to hate, and his writing has been adopted and liked by those very same people, hence Brzezinski is drawn into the fold of being complicit in the made up conspiracies of people.
    
    Brzezinski is and has been an advisor to numerous political leaders from both sides of the spectrum, because he is smart.
jbrandonf says : September 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Regarding that last point.. people are more likely to comply if they believe ‘they’ll be taken care of’ when the shit hits the fan. Also, with the clips provided in the movie, there have been references made to a New World Order by several people, the masses are just too preoccupied to notice.

Referencing SOPA and PIPA doesn’t make too much of a difference. Those were laws regarding Copyright infringement made by Big Content and is peanuts compared to major rights-violation laws like the Patriot Act.
- Mr. Anon says : September 4, 2012 at 5:55 pm
  Please read the previous article that SlayersX wrote. He addresses all of these points.
  - jbrandonf says : September 5, 2012 at 9:49 pm
    Yea I’m gonna be spending some time on here… I went through Thrive with the thought that it was a little too far off of reality (still don’t understand the significance of the ET stuff thrown in there) and I think this page can flesh out some of my more skeptical thoughts.
- Clyde says : August 28, 2013 at 10:33 am
  George H.W. Bush said we have an opportunity to build a new world order when he was President. Wow. It was 9-11-90. Oh shoot!!! It’s on youtube.
  - Joel T. says : August 28, 2013 at 5:20 pm
    Oh shoot, it’s a phrase that doesn’t refer exclusively to the idea of creating a single worldwide government (indeed, the worldwide government definition isn’t even the phrases primary definition).
Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm
There is still hope!!!

Vote Ron Paul for President!!!!

He will save us from the tyranny of the One World Government!
Plato says : September 12, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Wow… Your title is definitely misleading.
Your blog entry didn’t debunk One World Governments. You just covered and contested some points made by people whose opinions led them to believe in the formation of them (OWGs). But neither those people make irrefutable points, nor did you.
To debunk something you need two things:
One is someone saying “2+2=5” and then you showing proof of how “2+2=5”
The whole tone of the movie is set as “I’ve come to believe…” and nothing else.
And then, for you to state that you “Debunked” you engage in soliloquy, picking on semantics and small points.
For example, you bring (Correctly, I may add) that Norms and Conventions have been around since the dawn of civilization (a presumption, but a fair one), and thus that invalidates the existence of The Norm Prision.
Sigh. So have stones and mud been around since the earth is earth. But at one point someone decided to use those materials to build a prison.
Which is the real point here. After the owners of TV stations, NewsPapers and other cultural outlets take ownership of those means, it would be easy for them to manipulate the population into behaviors they deem beneficial for them. And history is full of examples of Jailers who appoint other prisoners as guards to their former prison-mates, and those newly appointed guards turn out to be more fierce and vicious than the jailers.
The UNION CONTINENTS Argument.
Yes, most of those examples you mentioned are paper-tigers. But they are there, in a place where 100 years ago where not. And the trend in the world since the recorded history, has been to redraw the maps and from fragmented city-states form countries and then continents. Is that part of a conspiracy? I don’t know, but it two things are factual:
1) It would be easier for anyone (Illuminaty or not) to control larger blocks of continents than a myriad of states.
2) It is a historical fact that in the past 2000 years we have larger countries and more conglomerated blocks of geo-political units.
That is food for thought.

The Perkins factor:
I don’t know if Perkins lied or not. I can say this: I can see things working the way he described, because we currently have agencies that show things working that way now. WIKILEAKS and Assange, for example, comes to mind as the latest case of government abusing the “Secret of state” clause to propagate an international agenda. And then prosecuting the man who blew the lid on that can of worms
And what is more, Perkins never asked anyone to believe him. He did not set out to prove anything.
But you really get a-logical (without logic) when to touch the section of Pyramids of information. How is it relevant the fact that The Manhattan project had leaks, to disprove that the command center favored compartmentalization of information?
I am still shaking my ahead over the relevance of this….
And your statement that the GDE had to remain a secret for decades… well that is the whole point. In one way or another it has been happening since millennia. GDE is what world conquerors aspired when they were marching their armies over continents. Back then it was achieved through that. Now the means have changed, the players have changed. What remains there is the ambition.
Who Cares says : September 13, 2012 at 5:49 pm
LOL @ this worthless ‘blog.’

Please. You have debunked absolutely nothing. In fact, you may well have convinced more people of the truth of the film, precisely because you have taken it upon your holy self to ‘debunk’ this film. What do you hope to achieve? Make people go “Oh Phew. Let’s get back to the good old present again and forget about this silly conspiracy garbage. The world in fact is just fine.”

I am getting a little tired of cretins like you, who spend time attacking information, rather than creating possible solutions to contemporary problems. Where’s the “solutions” section to this useless blog?

Good thing you devoted an entire blog just to debunk the film, because of your saintly wish to steer people clear of it and not fall for its terrible lies… It really does add to your credibility, doesn’t it?

That whole ‘debunking’ industry started with 9/11, and it continues to be irrelevant noise today, as is evidenced by your whopping six replies already!

Piss off, loser.
- Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm
  Who Cares said:
  
  That whole ‘debunking’ industry started with 9/11, and it continues to be irrelevant noise today, as is evidenced by your whopping six replies already!
  
  Wow, Who Cares, could this news story be about you and what you must be going through in your life now as a dedicated 9/11 Truther?
  
  http://www.theonion.com/articles/911-truther-convinced-government-destroyed-past-11,29520/
  
  PROVIDENCE, RI—Citing “overwhelming evidence,” 9/11 Truth movement adherent Dennis E. Shaw, 53, told reporters Tuesday that he believes the U.S. government has orchestrated a secret, intricate plot to systematically destroy his entire life over the past 11 years.
  
  Shaw, who since 2001 has lost his job, seen his marriage end, and, according to friends, completely alienated himself from mainstream society, argued that there are “serious reasons to doubt” the commonly accepted explanation that his slide into reclusion and paranoia was his own fault.
  
  “The official story is all too familiar,” said Shaw, a self-identified 9/11 Truther who hands out pamphlets at Kennedy Plaza from 2 to 6 p.m. every day. “On Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists crashed three planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Then, over the ensuing months and years, my obsession with the truth behind those events supposedly led to the gradual collapse of my personal and professional life. But this convenient little narrative requires us to believe a series of highly improbable coincidences.” . . . [cont.]
- Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 14, 2012 at 8:26 pm
  Sorry, I cut off the above excerpt too early and missed the most important lines in the whole article.
  
  http://www.theonion.com/articles/911-truther-convinced-government-destroyed-past-11,29520
  
  Recently, the 53-year-old created a website dedicated to “uncovering what really happened to Dennis E. Shaw’s life,” in which he posits the existence of a shadowy government conspiracy whose sole purpose is to engineer his downfall.
  
  “Everyone’s in on it—Bush, Cheney, Bernanke, Israel, and now Obama,” said Shaw, claiming that an entire life and career “couldn’t just collapse like this all on its own.” “Not a single one of them has ever come forward to deny their involvement in the destruction of my life.”
  
  “Open your eyes, and you’ll see the puppet masters’ fingerprints are all over my pathetic, seemingly self-destructive existence,” he added.
  
  Pointing to a detailed timeline scrawled on poster board affixed to the wall of a studio apartment cluttered with 9/11 paraphernalia, Shaw reviewed the events that, he believes, “happened too perfectly to be anything but the intentional, controlled demolition of [his] life.”
  
  That’s the essence of the matter, Who Cares! For you and everyone else here from the peri-adolescent THRIVEteers who are also 9/11 Truthers and Ron Paulbots.
  
  I mean, think about it: why are you folks so concerned with the controlled demolition of the towers or Building 7? Shouldn’t you be more concerned with the controlled demolition of your own personal lives that your delusional beliefs have caused?
  
  Psychiatry recognizes this phenomenon as “projection.” In other words, what you project onto the outer world as controlled demolition of buildings is really a refusal to face your own personal, inner fears of death and loss and destruction that have driven you to demolish a whole lot of relationships and friendships in your personal lives.
  
  All Muertos wants to do here is wake you up from your emotionally juvenile fixations on blaming others for your own personal problems. So read this blog. Then wake up, sober up, and last but not least . . . grow up!
  - Fancy Feet says : September 27, 2012 at 11:26 pm
    Hey Hollywood,
    
    You know the Onion is pure satire, right? In other words, it’s not attempting to report real stories. They’re actors you nincompoop! 🙂
    
    lolol
  - Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 28, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Hi Fancy Feet! Thank you for the nice compliment. I’m thrilled that you even doubt a little bit that I don’t know the Onion is satire. That tells me my own satire has hit its mark.
    
    I realize that this is trying to explain a joke to someone who doesn’t get it, but allow me to try because it could be a real teachable moment for you.
    
    You see, my satire on Who Cares and the other 9/11 Truthers who post here is to take the already existing Onion satire of a 9/11 Truther and to post it here as if i take it for real.
    
    It’s quite a time-saver for me as I don’t have to work to create my own satire; I can simply ride piggy-back on an already published satire in the Onion.
    
    Now I don’t know if you are a 9/11 Truther or not, but that’s actually irrelevant here. I would only ask you to take inner counsel with yourself and ascertain why you were so literal-minded about me and my posting.
    
    Such a line of thought might go a long way to help you understand your own level of gullibility and/or credulousness.
    
    After all, that is the very reason why satire exists!
  - Fancy Feet says : September 28, 2012 at 8:33 pm
    You don’t realize much Hollywood, hence your name.
    
    All your assumptions give you away.
- Critical thinking is never bad says : June 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm
  Sadly I’ve only just read your comment, would have put mine in reply to yours since i agree whole heartedly, he is just another fan spraying shit with 0 understanding of world events, people with lack of vision can never see connections between seemingly unrelated events. The bigger picture is hard to see unless you study all the elements involved and he does neither, just puts up a blog and ‘debunks’ without any actual arguments.
  - conspiracykiller says : June 28, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    “e bigger picture is hard to see unless you study all the elements involved and he does neither, ”
    
    Otherwise known as Apophenia in critical thinking circles.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
Who Cares says : September 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm
By the way, the fact that you endorse and defend the Carbon Tax, as some form of legitimate, intelligent, practicable method of reducing global pollution, says everything I need to know about you and your so-called ‘debunking’ blog.

Nice try, deflunker.
Roman says : September 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm
wuhuu, after this cheer up I found another astonishing piece of entertaining, still sad scrutiny done by some smart guys faking corporational businesses 😉

“THE YES MEN FIX THE WORLD is a screwball true story about two gonzo political activists who, posing as top executives of giant corporations, lie their way into big business conferences and pull off the world’s most outrageous pranks.”

The Yes Men Fix The World, P2P Edition FULL MOVIE (2009) (w/subtitles)
- Roman says : September 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm
  Unfortunately you unlocked only my 2. comment, but deleted the first one. Too many videos? 🙂
  
  Ok, just this one more – just to see the before-and-after-phenomena:
  Goldman Sachs – Sie sind alle gekauft / They are all bought
  
  Film Tip: Goldman Sachs – the Bank that Rules the World
  A documentary about power and greed on ARTE France
  http://content.globalmarshallplan.org/ShowNews.asp?ID=4060
  
  Quote from a review to make it more savory – or is it just concise?:
  “[…] Both the author of the book and the director of the documentary said that they wanted to stay away from any kind of conspiracy and really understand how Goldman Sachs became so powerful. But what they found was that there was, as with the mafia, a kind of silence or “omerta.” […]”
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vivian-norris-de-montaigu/the-omerta-surrounding-go_b_1852253.html
  
  Have a nice and peaceful day
James says : September 22, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Muertos, what happened to your main blog? It says it’s been deleted…
Michael Shinosky says : September 24, 2012 at 3:21 am
Mr. Anon says : September 25, 2012 at 4:51 am
Muertos recently deleted his other blog. Does anybody here who is close with him know whether he is alright? I know he recently retired from debunking.
- Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 27, 2012 at 3:08 pm
  Mr. Anon,
  
  I can fill you in with a little relevant information — at least as far as your “need to know” can be accommodated.
  
  Although I can neither confirm nor deny my own membership in the MDC (Muertos Disinformation Consortium), nonetheless I am authorized to tell you that the “Specific Muertos Entelechy,” known as the SME — who actually may or may not have been a single individual — has been re-assigned to another related project as of the date of the Hiatus posting which appeared on July 30, 2012.
  
  I am not at liberty to divulge any details of the SME re-assignment, but I am authorized to tell you that the “Powers that be” — PTB, if I may be so encryptic —- have replaced the SME here with the most advanced and sophisticated state-of-the-art Artificial Intelligence program which goes by the name of “Slayer X3.”
  
  Slayer X3 is the most advanced AI program ever created because it has passed the Turing Test more times that any other comparable program ever tested. Indeed not once did it ever fail the Turing Test, and its implementation here on this blog is to challenge any reader to prove that SlayerX3 is not human. (There are still some minor syntactical glitches that remain in the X3 software, but when they are eliminated, we will no longer need the cover story that English is not the native language of SlayerX3.)
  
  All readers of this blog should be proud of the vital role they have played in perfecting the “intelligence engines” of the PTB. The personal data collected by the PTB from each and every commenter here was immensely helpful to the cadre of programmers of the SlayerX3 project.
  
  Also be advised that despite the re-assignment of the SME as of 7/30/2012, nonetheless all commentators here will be tagged with an SME designation and that tagging will afford you extra advantages and privileges when the FEMA re-education campuses are implemented — scheduled for some time after the Mayan Calendar runs its course.
  
  Finally, I leave you with one important data bit. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.
  
  You all know that Foster Gamble released his movie THRIVE on 11/11/11.
  
  Be very mindful of this fast approaching date: 12/12/12.
  
  Then you will not be surprised at the astounding cascade of events that is scheduled to take place on that most auspicious date.
  
  This time-sensitive MLH of the SME is now complete.
  (MLH = Modified Limited Hangout)
  
  Initialed /HT/, Code Name: AXOLOTL
  - Fancy Feet says : September 28, 2012 at 8:43 pm
    you need a job, like one where you get paid 😉
  - Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 28, 2012 at 11:30 pm
    So you don’t think I am a paid disinformation agent, while you probably believe that Muertos is, right?
    
    Fine with me. The more you believe about me — and Muertos — the better!
  - thomas says : November 13, 2013 at 8:30 am
    11/11/11 World War I Remembrance day. Perhaps to remind us about how, why and who started one of the worlds most tragic modern wars in modern history?
    The young ones have not had the reality checks on some of these events in particular if they were not from Europe or had their Great grand parents fill them in. Often I look at what I was taught at school and compare that with some of the stories from the Parents and Grand parents or while I was listening in on grown up conversations. You start to wonder if the oldies are delusional as a young man, as your school teacher taught you something else or did not cover the oldies version? As you get older and start to think and reason you also try to research and oddly enough you find those oldies versions in old news paper articles. If you follow it up more information or dis information becomes evident.
    Sometimes it is hard to work out why and what are the facts.
    One thing is certain in history. The winning side of any conflict always gets their side or version presented as facts. After some years other versions may surface. I always wonder why the Governments place secrecy and non disclosure for the public or media clauses on some events for up to 70 or more years?
    Including mass shootings like Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia.
- Wyboth says : October 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm
  He retired? This is sad news. Muertos was really great at debunking here. I recently posted a comment asking if I could be promoted to Admin and write an article. I hope it’s not too far-fetched.
  - Hollywood Tomfortas says : October 6, 2012 at 5:30 am
    He hasn’t retired. His Illuminati Masters have simply reassigned him.
  - Wyboth says : October 6, 2012 at 4:46 pm
    Really, Tom? I hope this is trolling as well.
Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Mr. Anon,

You will be interested in this article about Foster Gamble and the THRIVE movie in the latest edition of The New York Observer. Indeed, it was the very publication of this article yesterday in the New York City market that gave me the clearance to write about the SME above. I quote from the article about the SME.

http://betabeat.com/2012/09/scions-and-wonders-has-a-proctor-and-gamble-heir-discovered-the-key-to-universal-energy/

Scions and Wonders: Has a Procter and Gamble Heir Discovered the Key to Universal Energy?

Foster Gamble has some interesting theories about energy.

An historian based on the West Coast even launched a blog called Thrive Debunked, dedicated to systematically refuting every claim made in in the film. A die-hard “skeptic,” the author of the blog—who goes by the online handle Muertos and asked to remain anonymous for this article—has been working on disproving conspiracy theories since 9/11 truthers began cropping up online.

“Thrive is a bizarre mixture of New Age ideas and conspiracy theories,” Muertos said. “Nowadays, conspiracy theories are being used as a marketing tool to push other ideas. Thrive is a perfect example. Conspiracy theories are the ‘hook’ to encourage belief in New Age spiritual ideas and libertarian political philosophy.”

The Gambles deny that the film is a tool for promoting libertarianism. Rather, Ms. Gamble insists that Thrive is about transcending “the political polarity that the country and world is stuck in.”

“The most dangerous belief system on the planet is the belief that the state itself is dedicated to and effective at solving our major problems,” Mr. Gamble elaborated. “Because any government is based on taking your tax money and doing what they want with it, and that, to me, is not only not a basis for a sustainable thriving culture, but it’s actually the seed of tyranny which always leads, sooner or later, to some sort of fascist state.”
Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Please, everyone! Stop what you are doing right now and take this important Reality Check test on the THRIVE Movement website.

http://www.thrivemovement.com/reality-check

Here is Foster Gamble’s Introduction to the reality Check

One of the motives I had for making THRIVE was to make it easier for us all to engage in more informed and effective solutions. Debating information when facts can be known is a dangerous distraction from the more important and leveraged conversations that we need to be having, so we invested in having third-party fact-checking to verify – or not – our research.

We’ve now put together “Reality Check” – a quick, fun way for you to check your facts on critical information. You can take it here, and then share it with friends and family to have a common understanding of what’s really going on – and what we can do about it.

The first of the top 10 actions that we recommend in the movie THRIVE, is to “get informed, speak up, and connect with others”. Taking THRIVE’s Reality Check is a great way to get informed and connect with others – share it and see where the conversation leads. Why is knowing the facts so important? Because your understanding of reality shapes your actions.
Hollywood Tomfortas says : September 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm
On the THRIVE-Movement Reality Check blog, Foster Gamble explains why he is now immune to destruction by the One World Government people (and Reptilians)

http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-gamble-introduces-thrive-reality-check.blog

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P.D. • 19 days ago−›

I have a question about the site and the project – why it hasn’t been closed down by those agencies, that control the world? They surely know about this, and yet the movie and the page is still here. This is a great threat to them and they seem very effective at disposing of their problems, so why You are able to get arround that?

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Foster Gamble • 18 days ago • parent

We stayed under the radar until the toothpaste was essentially out of the tube. I believe the would-be controllers know that attacking us at this point would only bring more attention and validation to our message. There are now thousands of whistle-blowers and truth-tellers coming out all over the world and the internet is exposing these vast and destructive deceptions. Those in the Agenda, if they are not running for the shadows are also very busy trying to hold their plan for the New World Order together. What do you think?
- Thomas says : November 25, 2013 at 2:14 pm
  probably the same reasons this site and many others have not been closed down.
Dillon says : October 23, 2012 at 2:58 am
who ever wrote this blog is a complete idiot. you are a disgrace to humanity and are a perfect example of who the ruling elite want someone ( just like you) to think. wake up and use your brain.
- Wyboth says : October 25, 2012 at 3:34 pm
  The irony is so intense that I can barely stand it.
  
  You obviously lack a brain. If you had actually read this article, you would see why there is no “ruling elite.” YOU are a perfect example of what the Thrive creators want you to think. Why don’t you read the article with an objective point of view and try to grasp what it’s actually saying instead of flaming us with your preconceived opinions?
Dean Kronstadt says : October 28, 2012 at 8:19 pm
So you “debunk” the New World Order, which the political puppets are working toward, then you spend the whole article convincing us how wonderful and peaceful the aims of the New World Order are. Yet all these agreements diminish national sovereignty in favour of corporatism. Corporations get more and more freedom to dump their GMOs and other garbage on us, and the people have no say in it because of FTA, WTO, GATT, etc etc etc… do I have to mention Bilderberg, I suppose that is a conspiracy theory as well eh?

The EU sure is doing great, a sign of the wisdom and good intentions of the NWO… hahaha. I respect those who disagree with some of the messages in Thrive, but this garbage blog is pure uninformed, unaware, slave propaganda and the author should be ashamed.
- Mr. Anon says : October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am
  Once again, if you are going to attack this blog, point out specific errors SlayersX has made. From what I know, he is a geopolitics and economics student who has studied this stuff pretty well.
- a rational person says : November 20, 2012 at 7:01 am
  wow…dean kronstadt, u are a fucking nutbag. “new world order”…what kind of severe mental damage do u have to have to believe in this shit? oh yeah i forgot, you believe everything that comes out of the mouth of that sick farting asshole alex jones…u probably think 911 was an inside job too…u know what needs to happen to all u conspiratards? we need to round u up and send u to burma to see what a real police state is like. have a nice trip asshole. when they send back the box of your ashes, would u like it sent fedex or dhl? hahahaha…jesus christ, there ain’t nothing as pathetic as a fucking conspiratard…these people are seriously nuts…this slayerx clown got the right idea, telling u crazy fucks the way it really is, but no, u gonna sit there blowing this stupid “nwo” shit right out your ass…u know where u can stick it, fucking nutbag conspiratard
  - thomas says : November 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    I don’t think that all the NWO and OWG is a conspiracy.
    Why?
    1992 Former Prime Minister of Australia Paul Keating signed the Agenda 21 agreement with the U N. Check out the FABIAN society, the Australian Fabians included Julia Gillard our former PM but coincidentally did not include Former ousted and re elcted just prior to the 2013 elections Kevin Rudd.
    He mentioned the faceless factions of the Labor Party.
    I wonder if he was talking about the people that work behind closed doors in secret meeting to enact policy? ( For those that do not know the Fabians take their policy from a Communist agenda that even the USSR and China NO LONGER follow. The original Fabian after the Roman General policy is to slowly wear down their enemy and they call themselves Wolves in Sheep’s clothing. The symbol they use is a turtle.) One example. Others like the Club of Rome. Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group are the conspiracies that are fictional. I mean who believes in Secret Organisations these days.
    This blog has outlined the economic trading blocks or UNIONS and some 35 years ago, even though countries traded with each other, we never had. Trading blocks or unions, now there are Austral Asian American, Mexican and Canada, European and African roughly 4 but the fact remains that the world is being sub divided into bigger trading blocks and unified. The Commonwealth was mentioned regarding Australia and that Australia did not need the E U?
    Australia was just accepted into the E U or United Nations (as we were part of the military Treaty Organisations including England, USA, CANADA, and other countries) 2013 and our former P M has met with E U representatives to talk about the Carbon Trading Scheme that was structured along the E U model by the former Prime Minister Julia Gillard. Other joint and co operative agreements were also entered into and talked about! Mind you she had to set up a special Federal Police Unit to monitor the Carbon Tax issue as the E U was almost or on the verge of economic collapse 3 times due to corporations and Banks abusing the Carbon trading emission scheme?
    Currently Prime Minister Tony Abbott in a meeting with the U N or E U as reported in the Australian and other media stated that he did not wish to have Socialism disguised as Environmentalism play a part in Australian politics as he is trying to undo the Carbon Tax laws.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-26/abbott-attacks-shortencarbon-tax-socialism-labor/5047758
    Mr Abbott also said the carbon tax was a socialist policy in disguise.
    “Let’s be under no illusions the carbon tax was socialism masquerading as environmentalism,” he said.
    The web site “The Deniers” has posted this comment and stated that it was straight from the Conspiracy Theorists hand book.
    At least he had the guts to stand up for what he believes in. And oppose the acceptable trend.
    
    In human History every attempt to take over or dominate the world failed! Egypt, Alexander the great, Romans, Germans, over two thousand years of Might by the sword Right by the sword.
    Using force and war, for Global domination or territorial expansion failed as it was too hard to maintain and too costly. Even with modern transport and communications this is almost impossible and would be too costly to maintain.
    However, economic control can achieve what wars have not been able to.
    Henceforth, countries like China have cleverly been allowing trade and the Euro US Dollar to come in and it is used to trade with but they have kept the Yuen at a low value. For domestic trading.
    I have been there on at least 4 occasions and one friend of the family whom had a Son studying in Australia has advised us that they are trying to control the US and Global influence there. He was a member of the Communist Party. The so called Conspiracy theories were brought up regarding the banking by my self some 10 years ago. I was advised they were aware and are resisting the US Style economic and banking policy and changes. Coincidentally recent news stated that the Communist Party meeting this month will not use the western economic and policy/ political reforms and models?
    Wow, I wonder why? Compare some of the countries that have chosen to eliminate or not use the MAIN US banking system to the ones that are using it and see the difference. Their economies in most have thrived, some have even recently decided to get rid of LArge International BAnks Green land I believe was one.
    But the news articles are just conspiracy theories based on no valid proof and I must be a communist spy as I have talked to a member of the Communist Party.
    Come on people ‘wake up’ this issue will bite you on the back side.
    The USA currently has a 17 TRILLION Dollar debt. What brought the former USSR down? It took 12 ordinary workers (TAX PAYERS) to support ‘ONE’ military person. The Russian economy could not sustain this and it collapsed. The US had a stronger economy or they worked on borrowed money as 17 Trillion dollars must have been used for something. If not the military, and the US does not have Government until (Obama care) national health care, like Australia’s Medicare, there is a big population with people that work 12 to 16 hours sometimes on NON Government regulated minimal wages so where is the problem? How amny are living in a dream and fantasy world?
    We often see Hollywood depictions about the rich and famous some that have from 100 million to a few billion portrayed as the normal upper class family. Yet the USA had recently found a few individuals with off shore accounts that had over 32 trillion dollars in them, being used as tax havens? So is it possible that others have hidden accounts or wealth that has not been declared and is being kept secret?
    Yet, there are people that are ignoring the facts and pretending that everything is under control.
    This is like fighting with a bigger and stronger opponent and as he has you pinned down someone helps you out. You retaliate and say “I had him exactly where I wanted him, why did you help?”
    Perhaps some people are trying to get others to think? Not because they are trying to cause alarm but because they have genuine concerns and are trying to find solutions. Thrive may be off the mark but at least they are trying and as such this blogs existence is a result of that effort.
    Look at how many comments were posted! They may be in disagreement, they may be professional debunkers and disinformation agents. But the thrive movement has started this web site, some may be inclined to dis believe while others will ponder about what people are saying here. I have done a lot of things even I T but I have never set up a web site to sell or promote anything.
    I have servers and about 30 computers at home with software and hardware that I have traded with or sold.
    Yet, here we have someone using their spare time to debunk one video and another web site. Why? Spare time? It takes me a long time to make one comment like this one. Yet, the people that have set up this web site have gone through hours of research and trouble to debunk another web site?
    So, this in it self does not make logical sense. I know people have a right to express their opinions and I am glad to see so many as myself are exercising that right. However, I must admit that some here have a LOT of motivation. It is curious that this web site has 9 trackers even thrive has less than that from memory.
    We all have a choice we can ask questions and try to get the answers or keep our heads buried in the sand like Ostriches. Ignore the unhealthy conspiracy theories set up by disillusioned people or try to do what some people that are on this web site have done and use reason and common sense to at least consider both sides of the story.
    Recently ,I have had a lot of discussions with Doctors and it amazed me how arrogant some are,
    and how they look down on people even their own cancer patients. Their time is valuable, but they try to rush people out when questions are asked, at times they tried to ignore my questions all together.
    I had to ask one “why did she think that I was not capable in understanding the terminology as the questions I was asking were from Medical web sites and the Cancer web sites and I had no problems understanding 95% of the topics as for the other 5% I looked the information up and researched it”?
    This was answered with an abrupt “I have another appointment in five minutes.” I retaliated “we are dealing with a man’s life here”! She answered that she was sorry and stood up asking us to leave.
    The patient died some months later. Actually three months apart both of my parents died from Cancer.
    What I have experienced and seen is part of what Thrive has presented regarding the health issues. Only in my case, as the “carer”, I had been exposed to a lot more and it was personal.
    That same doctor in a meeting stated that “false hope was better than no hope” she was asked WHY give patients false hope when you know that the treatment is not working. Later I found out that the treatment was never designed to heal or sure the patient and they knew over 6 months prior that the patient was going to die.
    The story is very involved and it would take pages to explain and go over the details.
    Why do people start to research certain issues after they experience certain episodes in their lives?
    Because the explanations and events do not make sense and most of us try to get answers or at least some sort of acceptable and reasonable explanation, that we can digest and feel satisfied with.
    
    We all know that certain issues like death are unavoidable. However, we have been trained and expect answers that are logical and that explain the events within some frame work of our knowledge without shady and unanswered questions, that leave us asking more questions about the incidents, procedures and methods. In particular when enquiries by the bodies that have Investigated, leave more questions and point to irregularities and misdemeanour’s.
    I guess what I am trying to point out that debunking conspiracies may be more unhealthy that the conspiracies them selves.
    As previously mentioned Time may reveal facts that may bring out the truth.
    Had I have started a conspiracy theory some 15 to 20 years ago about phone tapping and surveillance and that your mobile telephone can be traced by equipment most would have laughed it off as utter nonsense. Even with some sort of evidence to back it up with there would have been those that would not believe and those that would deliberately have tried to cover this up.
    Yet, recently we have had Edward Snowden reveal just how big this was and for how long it was being done and to whom (even though we had plenty of warnings) the issue had gone viral.
    It was said “that it takes a particular character to work in security” I guess that applies to various employment and these days selections are based on tests designed to filter out the undesired.
    That may not always be based on good character and ethics or morality.
    Most of us are smart enough to make our own choices and decisions, and those that are not will not be swayed or change their minds in certain issues but may decide to disregard the conspiracies or change their mind on other issues. Some will just ‘join in’ on the topics to make silly comments just for the sake of taking sides. Ridiculing others gives some a thrill, being a groupie gives others a thrill and so on.
    Until you have experienced some of the issues discussed here personally in your line of employment or during other pass times or life experiences, you can not get the same sense of equilibrium or work from the same platform as the ones that have . Focal points of reference are important.
    It is like having sex, dreaming and talking about it, looking at movies and magazines often leads to expectations that are based on NON experience. Yet, the real experience may be different for each individual. If you include love and genuine passion, the experience is enhanced.
    How many can say that they can relate with anything here or on the Thrive-Movement website from some point of genuine experience at some period of their lives?
    Apart from just watching You Tube video clips, reading books or web sites how many have worked in more than one type of employment or in places that required Strict Security and had certain requirements placed there that were designed to filter out access according to your clearance?
    How many have served in the Military? How many were just students without any real life experience. How many have just had one mundane boring job for years or have only worked for the family business. I can guarantee that those amongst you that have worked in the Security field can relate with a lot more on a wider scale than even some Police Officers. Why? Because if the company you worked for had a contract based (All are) business most employees in particular relief staff would have worked for various companies each with a specific set of rules and most that had some filtration system for the employees monitored by SECURITY STAFF so the security staff would have had a higher security clearance than some employees that were there for years.
    Yet, they may have only just had a few days training and they could enter high security and sensitive areas within a week of their employment. And guess what, the cleaners also fall into this category.
    From experience the cleaners often made excellent Industrial Espionage Agents. You see, not all cleaners are lowly educated migrants just because their native language was not English so they could not get employment in their qualified fields, or because they could not afford to do the required exams for their qualified fields. Although, there are strict criminal and background checks, these could always be worked around. However, cleaners often do not get to talk to as many people in particular security managers and key staff members.
    
    Do security staff work in Government Departments? What about courts, airports and other key installations like the military? As Government Departments Privatise Private Security and other companies are involved more and this has been a growing trend for at least 50 years.
    What is the point of this and how is it relevant to the thrive conspiracy website?
    Check out how the Intelligence agencies and the people that have worked for the CIA as heads of the US Congress for Security issues are connected and how this ties in with the Private Corporate Security companies. Information data bases and gathering has been going on for years. The RFI or microchips have been brought up by one person and debunked. Sorry, to burst your bubble, but we are all carrying tracking devices there is no need for RFI or Micro chips as we have Mobile Telephones. These devices can be tracked by satellite or triangulated to within 10 to 25 meters of the owners location. When ever you buy a sim card or a mobile telephone you are asked to produce your I.D. When you register your details are stored on the mobile telephone companies servers.
    If you use a smart phone Google and other software companies ask you if they can trace your movements so they can send you advertisements to endorse the company products and if the Phone has a GPS capability they can pin point your location to the nearest yard.
    I suppose this is just another conspiracy theory, right?
    This is not a conspiracy, this is fact, do your checking.
    Something made me laugh early this year. I was reading the news about the 500 Marines that were stationed in Australia, and as people are, they started to make stupid comments about the protection these Marines would offer in case China attacked Australia.
    I found this extremely funny, as now with modern warfare it was possible to use Google Earth in most western countries to pinpoint individuals homes with latitude and longitude, with pin point accuracy so that a missile or laser could be used to attack almost any target. Any modern military power could in theory drop a cracker in your back yard or if they had star wars type anti missile laser satellites help you cook your BBQ sausages.
    But that is another conspiracy theory as the technology does not exist 🙂
    As for the alternate power generators and devices. Would it not be wonderful to have one of these in a satellite to power the laser beams, as batteries may not be a viable option due to the life expectancy and the memory effects? I guess they use long life cells in devices that can not be serviced due to their locations. Like space? Maybe Duracell? 🙂
- Paul says : June 5, 2013 at 5:28 pm
  +1
geeksquad1001 says : December 23, 2012 at 11:17 pm
[embed] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptcp07v_w-w [/embed]
geeksquad1001 says : December 23, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Uhhh you might want to tell all these guys there crazy and that the New World Order Global government is a conspiracy theory and theirs no hidden agenda to bring about a one world government! lololololol

PLEASE CAN YOU COMMENT ON THIS? EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU KNOW MORE THEN DAVID ROCKEFELLER BECAUSE YOU HAVE DEBUNKED ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY FOR REJECTS TO MAKE THEM FEEL BETTER ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY ARE REJECTS PLEASE I WANT TO HEAR IT GENIUS??????
“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller in Memoirs an autobiography YOU MIGHT WANT TO TELL DAVID ROCKEFELLER THAT HE IS CRAZY AND IS NOT PART OF A SECRET SOCIETY HELL BENT ON A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DEBUNKED A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT ITS ALL JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORY! LOLOLOL

COME ON GENIUS I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THEN ALL OF THESE FOLLOING PEOPLE TOO RIGHT????? ALL THEY ALL REJECTS TOO?

“The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments’ plans.” -Benjamin Disraeli First British Prime Minister 1876

“We shall have world government whether or not you like it…by conquest or consent.” –James Warburg 1950 –Warburg was one of the men that wrote the federal reserve act of 1913 and one of the founding members of the private bank (federal reserve)

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.” –Strobe Talbott Fmr. U.S. Deputy Sec. of State 1992

“We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as words and money.” –Arthur Schlesinger U.S. Historian 1995

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” –David Rockefeller

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak in condemnation of it.” –Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom 1913

“The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American’s freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight.” –John F. Kennedy

“The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debts.” –Henry Ford
- anticultist says : December 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm
  All these quotes are placed under the pretext that their interpretation of a new world order, or the secret/private societies are some nefarious plan, as typically inferred by the likes of nut cases like you.
  
  In fact the majority of these quotes are completely out of context and are discussing many different things,. Some of them discuss the military industrial complex, some of them discuss other governmental bodies and bureaucratic bodies around the time they were stated. The ones that do mention new world order are of little consequence either, because a new world order as declared by nut cases like you simply don’t exist like you claim, and they most certainly do not in political spheres.
  
  Of course this is not to say that travesties in justice and despicable things don’t happen in politics,warfare or finance, because everyone of us knows of them and is aware it goes on. Taking a leap from this claim to there being an insidious plan by secret rulers to dictate the world that has taken over 300 years, so far to fail so far is beyond unbelievable, it is bordering on insanity.
  
  You can’t just wheel out a wall of quotes and say there is my evidence, because that isn’t how evidence works. You have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that such a thing as New World Order exists like you say it does.
  
  IE: that there are a bunch of relentless cruel individuals trying to kill everyone and control everyone on the planet over a 300 year period
  
  Don’t get me wrong though, I am not interested in your paranoid delusions, posting anything further about it here would neither concern me or interest me. It should be apparent to even the least credible posters here that you are gullible, because most of us here have rad and seen everything you can likely offer about the new world order. This conspiracy is decades old and anyone into debunking cranks like you has been over everything you have to offer years before you were even made aware of it..
geeksquad1001 says : December 24, 2012 at 12:18 am
HEY GENIUS COME ON HOW ABOUT THESE GUYS REJECTS TOO?????

“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from
this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented
with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for
the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world
government.” — Henry Kissinger speaking at Evian, France, May 21, 1992 Bilderburg meeting. Unbeknownst to Kissinger, his speech was taped by a Swiss delegate to the meeting.

“Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. Our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.” — Walter Bernays Propaganda 1928

Have you heard of this document? BUT NO WAY THEIR COULDNT BE A DOCUMENT OUTLINING THE ELITES PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION……. THEY (ELITES) BEG TO DIFFER READ THE FOLLOWING……

TOP SECRET
Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars
Operations Research Technical Manual TM-SW7905.1
Welcome Aboard
This publication marks the 25th anniversary of the Third World War, called the “Quiet War”, being conducted using subjective biological warfare, fought with “silent weapons.”

This book contains an introductory description of this war, its strategies, and its weaponry.

May 1979 #74-1120

Security

It is patently impossible to discuss social engineering or the automation of a society, i.e., the engineering of social automation systems (silent weapons) on a national or worldwide scale without implying extensive objectives of social control and destruction of human life, i.e., slavery and genocide.
This manual is in itself an analog declaration of intent. Such a writing must be secured from public scrutiny. Otherwise, it might be recognized as a technically formal declaration of domestic war. Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of great power and without full knowledge and consent of the public, uses such knowledge and methodologies for economic conquest – it must be understood that a state
of domestic warfare exists between said person or group of persons and the public. The solution of today’s problems requires an approach which is ruthlessly candid, with no agonizing over religious, moral or cultural values.
You have qualified for this project because of your ability to look at human society with cold objectivity, and yet analyze and discuss your observations and conclusions with others of similar intellectual capacity without the loss of discretion or humility. Such virtues are exercised in your own best interest. Do not deviate from them.

Historical Introduction

Silent weapon technology has evolved from Operations Research (O.R.), a strategic and tactical methodology developed under the Military Management in England during World War II. The original purpose of Operations Research was to study the strategic and
tactical problems of air and land defense with the objective of effective use of limited military resources against foreign enemies (i.e., logistics).
It was soon recognized by those in positions of power that the same methods might be useful for totally controlling a society. But better tools were necessary.

Social engineering (the analysis and automation of a society) requires the correlation of great amounts of constantly changing economic information (data), so a high-speed computerized data-processing system was necessary which could race ahead of the society and predict when society would arrive for capitulation. Relay computers were to slow, but the electronic computer, invented in 1946 by J. Presper Eckert and John W. Mauchly, filled the bill. The next breakthrough was the development of the simplex method of linear programming in 1947 by the mathematician George B. Dantzig. Then in 1948, the transistor, invented by J. Bardeen, W.H. Brattain, and W. Shockley, promised great expansion of the computer field by reducing space and power requirements. With these three inventions under their direction, those in positions of power strongly
suspected that it was possible for them to control the whole world with the push of a button. Immediately, the Rockefeller Foundation got in on the ground floor by making a fouryear grant to Harvard College, funding the Harvard Economic Research Project for the study of the structure of the American Economy. One year later, in 1949, The United States Air Force joined in. In 1952 the grant period terminated, and a high-level meeting of the Elite was held to determine the next phase of social operations research. The Harvard project had been very fruitful, as is borne out by the publication of some of its results in 1953 suggesting the feasibility of economic (social) engineering. (Studies in the Structure of the American
Economy – copyright 1953 byWassily Leontief, International Science Press Inc., White Plains, New York).
Engineered in the last half of the decade of the 1940’s, the new Quiet War machine stood, so to speak, in sparkling gold-plated hardware on the showroom floor by 1954. With the creation of the maser in 1954, the promise of unlocking unlimited sources of fusion atomic energy from the heavy hydrogen in sea water and the consequent availability of unlimited social power was a possibility only decades away. The combination was irresistible. The Quiet War was quietly declared by the International Elite at a meeting held in 1954. Although the silent weapons system was nearly exposed 13 years later, the evolution of the new weapon-system has never suffered any major setbacks. This volume marks the 25th anniversary of the beginning of the Quiet War. Already this domestic war has had many victories on many fronts throughout the world.

Political Introduction

In 1954 it was well recognized by those in positions of authority that it was only a matter of time, only a few decades, before the general public would be able to grasp and upset the cradle of power, for the very elements of the new silent-weapon technology were as accessible for a public utopia as they were for providing a private utopia. The issue of primary concern, that of dominance, revolved around the subject of the energy sciences.

Energy

Energy is recognized as the key to all activity on earth. Natural science is the study of the sources and control of natural energy, and social science, theoretically expressed as economics, is the study of the sources and control of social energy. Both are bookkeeping systems: mathematics. Therefore, mathematics is the primary energy science. And the
bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping. All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: Who will be the beneficiary? In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called “moral issues” were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent. Consequently, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquillity, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few. In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create, secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name “silent weapons.” In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable. In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class elements of society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the occupationally orphaned children. The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintain some measure of social order, peace, and tranquillity for the ruling upper class.

Descriptive Introduction of the Silent Weapon

Everything that is expected from an ordinary weapon is expected from a silent weapon by its creators, but only in its own manner of functioning.
It shoots situations, instead of bullets; propelled by data processing, instead of chemical reaction (explosion); originating from bits of data, instead of grains of gunpowder; from a computer, instead of a gun; operated by a computer programmer, instead of a marksman; under the orders of a banking magnate, instead of a military general. It makes no obvious explosive noises, causes no obvious physical or mental injuries, and does not obviously interfere with anyone’s daily social life. Yet it makes an unmistakable “noise,” causes unmistakable physical and mental damage, and unmistakably interferes with the daily social life, i.e., unmistakable to a trained observer, one who knows what to look for. The public cannot comprehend this weapon, and therefore cannot believe that they are being attacked and subdued by a weapon. The public might instinctively feel that something is wrong, but that is because of the technical nature of the silent weapon, they cannot express their feeling in a rational way, or handle the problem with intelligence. Therefore, they do not know how to cry for help, and do not know how to associate with others to defend themselves against it. When a silent weapon is applied gradually, the public adjusts/adapts to its presence and learns to tolerate its encroachment on their lives until the pressure (psychological via economic) becomes too great and they crack up. Therefore, the silent weapon is a type of biological warfare. It attacks the vitality, options, and mobility of the individuals of a society by knowing, understanding, manipulating, and attacking their sources of natural and social energy, and their physical, mental, and emotional strengths and weaknesses.

Theoretical Introduction

Give me control over a nation’s currency, and I care not who makes its laws.
— Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1743 – 1812)

Today’s silent weapons technology is an outgrowth of a simple idea discovered, succinctly expressed, and effectively applied by the quoted Mr. Mayer Amschel Rothschild. Mr. Rothschild discovered the missing passive component of economic theory known as economic inductance. He, of course, did not think of his discovery in these 20th-century terms, and, to be sure, mathematical analysis had to wait for the Second Industrial Revolution, the rise of the theory of mechanics and electronics, and finally, the invention of the electronic computer before it could be effectively applied in the control of the world economy.

General Energy Concepts

In the study of energy systems, there always appears three elementary concepts. These are potential energy, kinetic energy, and energy dissipation. And corresponding to these concepts, there are three idealized, essentially pure physical counterparts called passive components.

1. In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of potential energy is associated with a physical property called elasticity or stiffness, and can be
represented by a stretched spring.
In electronic science, potential energy is stored in a capacitor instead of a spring. This property is called capacitance instead of elasticity or stiffness.

2. In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of kinetic energy is associated with a physical property called inertia or mass, and can be represented by a mass or a flywheel in motion.

In electronic science, kinetic energy is stored in an inductor (in a magnetic field) instead of a mass. This property is called inductance instead of inertia.

3. In the science of physical mechanics, the phenomenon of energy dissipation is associated with a physical property called friction or resistance, and can be represented by a dashpot or other device which converts energy into heat.

In electronic science, dissipation of energy is performed by an element called either a resistor or a conductor, the term “resistor” being the one generally used to describe a more ideal device (e.g., wire) employed to convey electronic energy efficiently from one location to another. The property of a resistance or conductor is measured as either resistance or conductance reciprocals. In economics these three energy concepts are associated with:

1. Economic Capacitance – Capital (money, stock/inventory, investments in
buildings and durables, etc.)

2. Economic Conductance – Goods (production flow coefficients)

3. Economic Inductance – Services (the influence of the population of industry on output)

All of the mathematical theory developed in the study of one energy system (e.g., mechanics, electronics, etc.) can be immediately applied in the study of any other energy system (e.g., economics).

Mr. Rothchild’s Energy Discovery

What Mr. Rothschild had discovered was the basic principle of power, influence, and control over people as applied to economics. That principle is “when you assume the appearance of power, people soon give it to you.” Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency or deposit loan accounts had the required appearance of power that could be used to induce people (inductance, with people corresponding to a magnetic field) into surrendering their real wealth in exchange for a promise of greater wealth (instead of real compensation). They would put up real collateral in exchange for a loan of promissory notes. Mr. Rothschild found that he could issue more notes than he had backing for, so long as he had someone’s stock of gold as a persuader to show his customers. Mr. Rothschild loaned his promissory notes to individual and to governments. These would create overconfidence. Then he would make money scarce, tighten control of the system, and collect the collateral through the obligation of contracts. The cycle was then repeated. These pressures could be used to ignite a war. Then he would control the availability of currency to determine who would win the war. That government which agreed to give him control of its economic system got his support. Collection of debts was guaranteed by economic aid to the enemy of the debtor. The profit derived from this economic methodology mad Mr. Rothschild all the more able to expand his wealth. He found that the public greed would allow currency to be printed by government order beyond the limits (inflation) of backing in precious metal or the production of goods and services.

Apparent Capital as “Paper” Inductor
In this structure, credit, presented as a pure element called “currency,” has the appearance of capital, but is in effect negative capital. Hence, it has the appearance of service, but is in fact, indebtedness or debt. It is therefore an economic inductance instead of an economic capacitance, and if balanced in no other way, will be balanced by the negation of population (war, genocide). The total goods and services represent real capital called
the gross national product, and currency may be printed up to this level and still represent economic capacitance; but currency printed beyond this level is subtractive, represents the introduction of economic inductance, and constitutes notes of indebtedness. War is therefore the balancing of the system by killing the true creditors (the public which we have taught to exchange true value for inflated currency) and falling back on whatever is left of the resources of nature and regeneration of those resources. Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency gave him the power to rearrange the economic structure to his own advantage, to shift economic inductance to those economic positions which would encourage the greatest economic instability and oscillation. The final key to economic control had to wait until there was sufficient data and highspeed computing equipment to keep close watch on the economic oscillations created by price shocking and excess paper energy credits – paper inductance/inflation.

Breakthrough

The aviation field provided the greatest evolution in economic engineering by way of the mathematical theory of shock testing. In this process, a projectile is fired from an airframe on the ground and the impulse of the recoil is monitored by vibration transducers connected to the airframe and wired to chart recorders. By studying the echoes or reflections of the recoil impulse in the airframe, it is possible to discover critical vibrations in the structure of the airframe which either vibrations of the engine or aeolian vibrations of the wings, or a combination of the two, might reinforce resulting in a resonant self-destruction of the airframe in flight as an aircraft. From the standpoint of engineering, this means that the strengths and weaknesses of the structure of the airframe in terms of vibrational energy can be discovered and manipulated.

Application in Economics

To use this method of airframe shock testing in economic engineering, the prices of commodities are shocked, and the public consumer reaction is monitored. The resulting echoes of the economic shock are interpreted theoretically by computers and the psychoeconomic structure of the economy is thus discovered. It is by this process that partial differential and difference matrices are discovered that define the family household and
make possible its evaluation as an economic industry (dissipative consumer structure). Then the response of the household to future shocks can be predicted and manipulated, and society becomes a well-regulated animal with its reins under the control of a sophisticated computer-regulated social energy bookkeeping system. Eventually every individual element of the structure comes under computer control through a knowledge of personal preferences, such knowledge guaranteed by computer association of consumer preferences (universal product code, UPC; zebra-striped pricing
codes on packages) with identified consumers (identified via association with the use of a credit card and later a permanent “tattooed” body number invisible under normal ambient illumination).

Summary

Economics is only a social extension of a natural energy system. It, also, has its three passive components. Because of the distribution of wealth and the lack of communication and lack of data, this field has been the last energy field for which a knowledge of these three passive components has been developed. Since energy is the key to all activity on the face of the earth, it follows that in order to attain a monopoly of energy, raw materials, goods, and services and to establixh a world system of slave labor, it is necessary to have a first strike capability in the field of economics. In order to maintain our position, it is necessary that we have absolute first
knowledge of the science of control over all economic factors and the first experience at engineering the world economy. In order to achieve such sovereignty, we must at least achieve this one end: that the public will not make either the logical or mathematical connection between economics and the other energy sciences or learn to apply such knowledge. This is becoming increasingly difficult to control because more and more businesses are making demands upon their computer programmers to create and apply mathematical models for the management of those businesses. It is only a matter of time before the new breed of private programmer/economists will catch on to the far reaching implications of the work begun at Harvard in 1948. The speed with which they can communicate their warning to the public will largely depend upon how effective we have been at controlling the media, subverting education, and keeping the public distracted with matters of no real importance.
- Wyboth says : December 24, 2012 at 1:53 am
  TL;DR
- anticultist says : December 24, 2012 at 2:25 am
  You can always spot a crank by their use of caps rage.
  - a rational person says : December 24, 2012 at 6:23 am
    crank, nutbag, conspiratard…they’re all the same…scum of the earth, and not one of em got two brain cells to rub together.
    
    i’m halfway into my 2nd bottle of vodka for the evening in btwn wrapping xmas gifts for my kids and i gotta say this shit is fucking funny! david icke…foster gamble…dick gage…rosey o’donnall…that zeitgeist fucktard, whatever the fuck his name is…this fuckbot here, geeksquad or whatever his name is….i’m amused…srsly….these kids need to get laid…what’d we ever do without these conspiratard fuckwads to entertain us with their bullshit?
    
    anyway merry xmas to all u rational people out there who don’t buy into this conspiratard crap…have a good one
  - anticultist says : December 24, 2012 at 3:22 pm
    That document he just copy n pasted up there is listed as being found in an IBM photocopier bought from a surplus sale in 1986 lol.
    
    It amazes me how these cretins think everything is real and legitimate without checking authenticity. It reads like another anti semitic fantasy by a delusional. Trying to incorporate Rothschild into some world crippling financial scheme.
    
    It first appeared in Bill Cooper’s ‘Behold a pale horse’, for anyone who knows who that is, he is the crazy bastard who ran a radio show claiming all manner of mad shit. Made claims he was a lvl 38 top secret agent in the new world order and naval intelligence ha ha. He ended up shooting a cop and getting gunned down for holing himself up armed in his own house after resisting arrest. Dude was top level bonkers.
  - anticultist says : December 24, 2012 at 7:00 pm
    This is the creep that geeksquad is quoting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper
  - geeksquad1001 says : December 24, 2012 at 9:03 pm
    lol actually caps symbolizes emphasis dick weed. quotes taken out of context lol. Ya it seems like you know more then david rockefeller about their agenda wow im sorry you are dumber then I thought. Bill cooper was naval intelligence smart guy and he also predicted 9/11 over 6 months before it happened. But of coarse if he predicted 9/11 before it happened he must be crazy right? lol The quotes speak for themselves there not taken out of context lol. Its funny how The controllers of the World and politicians tell you what their plan is and you still dont believe it lol. By controllers of the World I mean the people that control the money. “I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.” Nathan Rothschild
    
    Ohh no but thats anti semitic right? Which means that your probably a Zionist only Zionist talk like that. But the Rothschild quote was taken out of context right? lol The Rothschilds dont own the Bank of England and arent one of the owners of the Federal Reserve right? lol
    
    Hey you are right though their isnt a New World Order yet thats obvious because its an agenda and that agenda is a One World Government and your right its not a secret because they have openly stated thats their goal.
    
    “The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more CONTROLLED society. Such a society would be dominated by ELITE, unrestrained by traditional values.” –Zbigniew Brezhinsky
    
    “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller in Memoirs an autobiography
    
    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” –David Rockefeller
    
    “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” –David Rockefeller
    
    “We shall have world government whether or not you like it…by conquest or consent.” –James Warburg 1950
    
    But hey dont take their word for it take the word of a rational troll and anticultist troll 2 they know whats going on and the agenda of the banking elite. lolololol
    
    by the way a rational troll Ive had for girls then you can dream of and am alot younger then you! Go back to drinking your vodka cause you have a fat wife and keep giving your kids fluoride its good for their teeth lolololol.
  - anticultist says : December 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm
    Crank !
roy fayrve says : December 26, 2012 at 9:13 am
Look up the video of Norman Dodd on youtube. He headed the reece committee and explains how tax exempt foundations, one of which is headed by the rockefellers, support communist causes because one trait of communism is a monopoly. And one characteristic of a monopoly is that large firms get more benefit at an expense of the consumer, which would be us.
- anticultist says : December 26, 2012 at 5:18 pm
  LOL communism is not about monopolising. Although in the existing examples of communism have wound up with despots as the head of state, see Russia, China, North Korea.
  
  Communism in its actual form is about equal opportunities and favours for everyone in a society, including access to materials and assets of the nation for the benefit of the people. I think what you are referring to is not actually communism at all, but is rather a materialistic driven society that is based more around profit driven incentives for monopolistic manufacturers. However consider the following, if it was true communism and people of the country were the owners of the monopoly, then what you would be describing would be of no worry to the people. If however what you were describing as the monopoly was owned by private investors, then of course this is simply a profit driven society like the one America already is.
  
  Either you are misunderstanding what communism is about, or you are using the failed examples of communism that currently exist as the means to frame your argument.
RomanS says : March 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm
About our time, the dangers, communism and philosophy: Slavoj Zizek may interest you.
http://documentary.net/living-in-the-end-times-according-to-slavoj-zizek/
- Wyboth says : March 29, 2013 at 2:37 am
  At first, I thought he would be a conspiracy theorist or religious zealot, but he’s actually quite interesting. He does make the point that capitalism itself is broken, and that is the reason for the Great Recession. I don’t agree; I’d say it was mainly the Bush administration that came in and screwed stuff up. Regardless, this is still interesting. I don’t have time to watch all 50 minutes of it now, but I’ll see if I can later. Thanks for the link.
Bharath says : June 22, 2013 at 2:23 am
I don’t know who you are or why you are going on like you are, but there is an undeniable truth to all that is being said. Sure thrive itself isn’t completely correct, but this is bigger than a movie. It’s a universal truth which lies in the imperfect perception of society that has grown over time. It is human nature to make mistakes and be greedy, it is also human nature to overcome adversity and grow cohesively. What pissed me off most his how you dismissed David Icke. You must be completely deluded by your currently perfect situation in life, or your just another idiot being successfully puppeteered by a corporatocracy that has essentially been reigning since before you or your parents existed. Your mind is small and narrow. You must be a fool to think current society is all we are capable of. And that this completely imbalanced and unfair state of world need exist. When those say everything is about ups and down and balance, it really talks about lifetime energies and processes in the universe. Not a man made perception of ‘society’ and cartel economies that leave half the world with 0 relative to the slimy banksters that run shit. Ur stupid and ur post just pissed me off.
- boswell says : June 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm
  “What pissed me off most his how you dismissed David Icke.”
  
  Motherfucker thinks the moon hollow and contains an alien base.
  He thinks world leaders are shape shifting lizards from another planet that control the population and eat and rape children.
  He thinks that there is a global agenda to kill everyone and enslave us all, not sure which one takes precedence in his head though , since you can’t enslave dead people.
  He thinks that the nazis are still in power.
  He thinks there is a spiritual connection where everyone is connected and we can dream our way out of our problems.
  He also wants your money.
  
  And you ask why we dismissed David Icke ? You are either a grade A retard, or you are just one of lifes gullible losers.
  - Thomas says : November 14, 2013 at 11:58 am
    Interpreting that you bring up the Hollow Moon and the Nazis I have been following some of the conspiracies for some years and the UFO issue from a young age so over 30 years.
    Not to go into my personal belief as I do think there is more conspiracy there (and I saw U F O’s on four occasions) One I absolutely can not explain and there were three other people with me at the time, so we all saw the objects.
    However, the Hollywood film industry has me totally amazed. I have noticed that so many Science Fiction and some action flicks are based on the conspiracy theories. Or as good original writers are getting hard to find for original material, we get copied and re written film scripts from Scripture and Ancient legends or things found on You Tube that were at times started by conspiracy theories. I admit that some were based on Books and novels and recently comics. We have to accept that some of the Science fiction novels were great works and some were actually followed up by science. However, I do hate it when I see some film based on conspiracy theories that appears to have been done for the purpose of disinformation. The Hollywood machine then slaps their own legal label on it and claims copy rights to it? Transformers five based on the ship found on the moon , Star Trek based on Indian Sanskrit. (Interesting to note here that Science has looked into the Anti matter, Phasers and lasers. Notice that some Mobile telephones looked similar to the communicators, also that the military has adopted stealth technology concepts).Superman based on Jesus as the creators of Superman were Jewish. Kal El means word of God in Hebrew. Promethius based on Biblical or ancient giants, Zeus, Hercules, Thor, Odin so on and so forth.
    During the Second World War foo fighters were often reported and UFO’s were reported for a century if not longer. Archaeologists, Scientists and even the Bible had mention of things that could be described as Alien or extra terrestrial entities or craft. The problem is that Science, as people, always find other explanations and seldom agree as someone is always there to offer another possible explanation or argument. The world was flat and we were (Earth) the centre of the Universe the stars were pin holes in the fabric of the sky. We had comfort zones and leaders that wanted to remain within their comfort zones as it suited them. Financially and power and status wise. Just a lose reference here the word Mortgage is French for Life term and Real estate stem from Royal Estate as Royalty (Kings) were the only ones allowed to own land that is why home owners are called Land Lords. Just a bit of History.
    If we as humans never use our imagination and think out side of the box or remain locked up in our comfortable space (Comfort zones) we do not grow and expand our horizons. We would be peasants and slaves as we are claimed to be now to the Bankers and the Minority of the wealthy?
    We would still be in the cave man stone age, if it wasn’t for those that dared to be different and dared to explore dared to rebel and ask for more or seek justice and our natural God given rights.
    Isn’t this what the rebellions and wars were about during the revolutions and why so many strived to get a better deal that often required blood shed. Wasn’t this why the Constitutions and Bills of right were designed to do? To liberate the people and offer some form of equality for the masses?
    Let the dreamers dream and those with imaginations create, they have helped the human race and in some cases they have been responsible for great inventions. Harmful as some were others have helped us advance. Human nature is diverse and as such we have many different aspect, characteristics and flaws. Unfortunately the ones with the flaws almost always end up striving to be better, have more and are dissatisfied with what they have. These can make big impacts on the world either for good or for bad. Usually the ones that have narcosis tendencies create havoc and dissent. Strange that the Business world has been known to pick these people above others to manage companies.
    We as humans are capable of great good and great evil.
    We can often justify the harm we do to others with great conviction and at times embroil others into the web of deceit. Convincing them that we will benefit from our deeds and that they are worth less.
    History is often repeated as the placid and humble often remain neutral or do not get involved.
  - conspiracykiller says : November 14, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    You aren’t the only people to have seen UFO’s. Newsflash: Skeptics see them too, the difference is skeptics don’t jump to asinine explanations, or ridiculous conclusions. I myself have seen one close up, and I don’t think it was alien spacecraft sent to robe my ass. It was simply something unexplainable and somewhat natural looking, although weird.
    
    But for some reason cranks think they have the authority and the moral right to state a claim on the unexplained, and then give it their own particular retarded explanations. It boils my piss having to listen to idiots explain to me how I don’t know anything about the unexplained because I am skeptic.
    
    Also having to listen to childlike science fiction explanations that are completely irrational, where common sense can easily explain is quite honestly tedious. We have gotten to a point in history where fairy tales are for the backwards of our society, and it’s about time cranks realised that they are the substandard generation of our species.
- a rational person says : June 22, 2013 at 4:54 pm
  david icke is an insane racist anti semitic nutbag who believes in lizard people.
  
  if u’re defending him, i suspect u are also an insane racist anti semitic nutbag who believes in lizard people.
  
  why, then, should anyone listen to you?
  - Thomas says : November 14, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    Maybe, but he has made money from this and had a lot of people attend his confrences and buy his books.
    Some of what he has researched may have some factual and Historic basis.
    The other may be in the fantasy realm.
    The world is based on intricate possibilities of imagination mixed with reality. We adopt models or create chracteristics based on various factors in our lives. If you had a choice of working in a factory or doing what he is doing what would you do?
    If you had singing talent you would try to get involved in the music Industry if the opportunity was there instead of being tied down in a small town with little avenue or prospect for advancement. Am I right? I use this as an example. I have seen some of his You Tube material and I have seen Jesse Ventura rip into him. He did make some interesting observations and has tried to provide fact based proof. Weather or not this satisfies everyone is a matter of choice and experience. If you know that some of his ideology is based on false claims it makes it easier for you to disprove those claims. If notm you will have to research to fact find. Some, will believe without trying to do this. While others will base their opinions on their experience or gut feeling. Feeling that someone is not correct is not proof, to base any argument for or against something that is, to take one side or the other you would have to be able to either disprove or prove it with some fact.
    The problem with some of the Conspiracy and NON conspiracy agendas is that most of the people either DO NOT, Can Not, or choose not to research as it is time consuming. It is much easier just to express opinionated rejections or accept the story for what it was represented as.
    The lazy way out is not always the right way for others although,it may suit the one whom has chosen it. Is it worth the time? The most precious thing we posses is time. We get paid for spending time at work. The only thing we can not replace in our lives is time. If we lose a family member we have lost them because they have run out of time. Knowledge can be obtained, material things can be obtained. Most things can be replaced.
    Except for time.
    Now I have waisted enough time doing this.
Critical thinking is never bad says : June 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I was looking at this video, the thrive movement, didnt buy into the tetahedron example for why it pops up all over places on earth since that can be explained in many other ways, so was looking etc, at one moment i paused and wanted to look up some of the people that ‘testified’ to UFO encounters in this movie… and I came across your site, been reading and I keep seeing ‘debunked’ over and over again in your articles without ‘debunking’ absolutely anything. Im sure there were a ton of you when the reichstag was set on fire, thinking ‘what, our government?! they would never do that to us’ and yet it happend….
Your blog is spewing more bs than some of the ‘conspiracy theorists’ out there, and mind you, that you are using this term as a derogatory term for people that use their logic and critical thinking skills to actually analyze information before rejecting or accepting it. You fail to do that without any reasonable and logic explanation, for example you talk about the EU union and link a few articles but you do not really understand how it works, and do not comprehend that all these unions going on will lead to globalization in the next 30-40 years, its unavoidable. albeit by intervention of secret socities with hidden agendas or not, if not, its the right thing to do since we are all people indiferent of our place of birth and first spoken language but if it is driven by people with a hidden agenda you can bet your ass its for domination.
Do you deny the fact that throughout history there have been for one reason or another secret socities ?
Put yourself in the mind of a person worth 100 bil, that can buy and sell politicians all over the globe as you please, what would you do ?
keep in mind any person that looks to attain such wealth does not do it because he loves the freedom and confort money brings, he does it because he loves power. A person that is gathering wealth just so he can live a free and enjoyable life himself and his family, would stop after first 10-20-30bil since he would have more than enough to ensure 5 generations worth of good living at least.
Now, if you are that person worth 100 bil, who do you hang out with ? the janitor at one of your buildings ? maybe the manager at one of your companies that makes 1-2mil a year ? no, you hang out with other people that are worth at least as much as you, if they are worth less then they are your lackeys.
So 6 multi multi bilionaires in one room, they start talking, lets get this company, lets get that company, lets try and own this land here, that land there, no one else knows your plans except these 6 people, 2+ people is a conspiracy, 6 is already a hidden society basically by definition.
Now understand that power does not mean only owning this and that and having the need to have your own bank just to hold your money, power means POWER over your fellow man, if you are alone on the planet the only person you have power over is yourself.
Power is attained not only financially but circumstantially via leverage of either natural resources or goods society needs for survival, take monsanto as an example for this, whats the reason for them to infest natural grower farmer crops ? whats the reason for them to buy out all the seed companies they can get their hands on? if they are so good and beneficial, wont the ‘product speak for itself’ ? i mean if they are so revolutionary, they will just put everyone else out of business by simply existing and producing these seeds.
And yet, its not like that, most of the farmers that have tried just because they were open minded now regret doing so.
I was interested in reading your articles until i’ve read enough to realize you are full of bullshit.
one more thing, if you do not believe extra terestrial life forms exist (im not talking about we’re talking with them daily and someone at the pentagon shares coffee with them, im just talking about their existance) you are one dumb little person with his head so far up his ass that not even farting can push it out. The fact that there is life out there in space is a undeniable mathematical fact. live with it.
I could go on rebuking your stupidity, close mindedness and unwillingness to open your eyes and mind to the possibility that (taking into consideration our history) there was always one man or one group of people that worked twards global domination and enslavement. If you dont believe that, get your asshead out of the webs and start reading some actual books.
- conspiracykiller says : June 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm
  “I was interested in reading your articles until i’ve read enough to realize you are full of bullshit.”
  
  Pretty much described your own posts perfectly there son.
  
  I bet though that is how you do your ‘research’, you read a bit until it says something you don’t like or agree with, and then off handedly brush it aside as being wrong because your limited intellect doesn’t like it.
  
  “he fact that there is life out there in space is a undeniable mathematical fact. ”
  
  Way to go off topic with the red herring, which he never even said.I happen to know for a fact that Muertos considers the possibility of life to be a given in this vast universe, he has said it on numerous occasions. You being the fuckwit you are though didn’t bother reading any further than a few sentences because you got your nappy in a twist.
  
  “close mindedness and unwillingness to open your eyes and mind to the possibility ”
  
  Sums ou right up that.
Clyde says : August 28, 2013 at 10:53 am
The EU is basically an extension of the “Corporatocracy” that Gamble refers to. The people are not represented.
- Joel T. says : August 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm
  The EU is governed by the European Parliament, the members of which are directly elected. To be fair, the EU is also governed by the Council of the European Union, which is comprised of the executive heads of the member states. Insofar as those member states directly elect their executive heads, the Council is itself representative of the people. The least representative of the lot is the Commission: the head of that is elected by the Parliament, then the Council proposes other members, which must be approved by parliament-elected Commission president. So while the EU governing organizations are not all directly elected, the people have a very significant representation.
  - a rational person says : August 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    forget it joel…these nutbags got no use for facts, hoss. haven’t u heard? we’re all sheeple, shills, paid gov’t trolls, disinformation agents, greedheads and garbage beings because we dont worship foster gamble and thrive and believe 911 was an inside job and reptile people rule the world. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE LIZARD PEOPLE ARE COMING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
thomas says : November 20, 2013 at 2:32 am
The Vatican VS The Illuminatti
and the current weather and climate.
Could this be modern warfare in action?

Wednesday 20th Nov 2013

Italy Sardinia Floods claimed to be aftermath of the Typhoon from the Phillipines on ABC 24 News Cyclone emergency declared.

Recent news from “thrive” had an Interesting article regarding the Vatican fighting against the Illuminati. Shortly after the Cyclone or Hurricane hit the shores of England moving along Europe and passing Germany with winds over 200 Klms per hr. Never before had this occurred as far as I know in that region of the globe.
A few weeks later the Phillipines gets slammed and devastated by the typhoon, hurricane combination, 19th Nov 2013 up to 75 cyclones hit mid west USA devastate 6 states in what is considered a non Cyclone period.

The Philippines is predominantly Catholic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Philippines

What is the connection?

This is a strange coincidence or is there more to it?

http://politicalvelcraft.org/new-world-order/
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/vatican_secret_societies.htm

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0123.htm

http://beforeitsnews.com/spirit/2013/02/the-vatican-and-illuminati-2475170.html

http://the-tap.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/illuminati-have-controlled-vatican-for.html

http://www.valueoftruth.org/endtimes/whoisilluminati.html

Under the normal climatic change scenario this would nor raise an eyebrow, however if we look at the HAARP, Nuclear-armed rockets detonated in space since 1959 (Like the Project Starfish Prime in ) and the Chem trails we may be able to draw a line in between the dots?

Is the Vatican and what it stands for under direct attack?

Are the Catholics of the world seen as the terrorists that need to be controlled or used as an example to show the rest that we are powerless to do anything and God will not rescue us?

Strange, some years ago the US Congress labelled religious groups as a threat to national security. I was watching the news at the time.
Prior to the communist regimes in USSR and China the religious aspects of society were brought under swift control and contained. Some of these freedoms and human rights are still under Government control.

These were radical Christian groups that more than often try to promote love, peace, freedom and liberty in a democratic and fair manner? Some may have been more radical on an individual basis as per member inclination and personality. A few were and are cults. Break away groups, similar to the Secret Society groups functioning globally?

Another conspiracy theory?

If we examine history and the Royal links we can establish connections from the beginning of the Christian period and beyond.
We can go further to the Sumerian periods some 5,000 years BCE or before Christ.

However, the primary concern is that the church is supposed to have been the protector of the peoples god given rights entered into a considerable number of Constitutional rights by countries globally.
If the church is seen as a threat for the creation of a NWO and a OWG that would require a hard line communist system to maintain.

Yet, another conspiracy theory?
I hope I am wrong, however it was stated that this may be the period of the last Catholic Pope. If this eventuates how will the other Christian religions be effected?
- conspiracykiller says : November 24, 2013 at 6:29 pm
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