Throwing Thrive Under the Bus: Progressives Interviewed in the Film Distance Themselves From Its “Dangerously Misguided” Ideas. (UPDATED!)

This blog, originally published April 12, 2012, was updated April 13, 2012. Scroll to the end for the update.

It seems that the honeymoon the public has had with Thrive as a result of the film’s release free on the web has already come to a crashing halt. Yesterday, nine of the people interviewed in Thrive—John Robbins, Deepak Chopra, Paul Hawken, Elisabet Sahtouris, Duane Elgin, Vandana Shiva, Edgar Mitchell, Amy Goodman and John Perkins—issued a public statement denouncing the film and stressing their profound disagreement with it. They also claim that Foster Gamble and the makers of the film misrepresented it when securing their participation. This is potentially an extremely serious development for Foster Gamble and Clear Compass Media, whose film is already under heavy attack from anti-conspiracy skeptics, progressive political thinkers, and environmentalists.

Who Said What?

An article in the Santa Cruz News (online) by reporter Eric Johnson quotes portions of the statement as well as remarks by John Robbins. Mr. Robbins is an environmentalist, an advocate for sustainability and a health/fitness author best known for his book Diet for a New America, which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. He lives in the Santa Cruz, California area and knows Thrive makers Foster and Kimberly Gamble personally. According to the article, Mr. Robbins was invited to an advance screening of Thrive at Mr. Gamble’s house. Here’s how he describes what he saw there:

“Robbins, who makes a brief appearance in the film, says he was “overwhelmed” by what he saw.

“There were parts I liked, but there were other parts that I just detested,” he recalls. “I didn’t want to be rude—we were there with our families—so I just didn’t say anything.”

According to the Santa Cruz Weekly News article, Mr. Robbins told the reporter that Foster Gamble didn’t tell them about the real contents of the film beforehand. They didn’t know what was in it until it came out publicly. Additionally, Paul Hawken and Elizabeth Sahtouris told the news outlet that Mr. Gamble had actively misrepresented the film.

Just this evening, John Robbins posted a comment on my blog which included the full text of the statement signed by himself and the six other interviewees who have denounced Thrive. Here is the text of the statement as it was presented to me:

“We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.

Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.

We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.

Signatories (in alphabetical order)

Deepak Chopra

Duane Elgin

Amy Goodman

Paul Hawken

Edgar Mitchell

John Perkins

John Robbins

Elisabet Sahtouris

Vandana Shiva”

I am not surprised by this move. Since at least December I’ve been hearing rumors that numerous interviewees in Thrive were upset at how the movie came out and appalled that their words and images appear in it. This clearly indicated that there were problems with how the makers of the film presented the project when they went to secure these commentators’ interviews. However, at the time I had no hard knowledge that these rumors were true, so I didn’t feel comfortable publicizing them. I expected that eventually one or more of the interviewees would go public. Now they have.

Why now? It’s clearly because of the recent free release of the film, which seems to have boosted its popularity. The Santa Cruz Weekly article states that the nine who disavowed the movie had hoped Thrive would simply go away. It didn’t, and has become “something of a Web cult phenomenon.” Because of the popularity of the movie, they decided to go public at this time.

Why Am I Not Surprised?

There is a clear division among the people interviewed in Thrive. Some of them are people who have severe problems commanding credibility in the mainstream—David Icke, Adam Trombly and Nassim Haramein all fall into that category. However, there are also others interviewed in the film who do not appear to be conspiracy theorists, pseudoscientists or otherwise makers of wild and unproven claims. That doesn’t mean I agree with them on everything they have to say; however, I suspected from the very get-go that these people weren’t being told the full story of what Thrive was about before they agreed to appear in the film.

I will direct the readers to a passage in my very first article about Thrive, which was a debunking of the trailer, even before I’d seen the full film. Here’s what I had to say about Elisabet Sahtouris, Paul Hawken, and Amy Goodman:

“Dr. Sahtouris is the first person in this movie [at the time I meant the trailer] who actually has a real, verifiable Ph.D…. She lectures on evolution of humanity and how to create a better future. Given that she, like Catherine Fitts, sounds completely sane, I suspect that her inclusion in this movie is somewhat unwitting. Another clue that tells me this is that she appears to believe in global warming. While global warming isn’t mentioned in the Thrive trailer, I would lay odds that most of Thrive’s target audience believes that global warming is a hoax. Most conspiracy theorists do. I do not think Dr. Sahtouris is a conspiracy theorist….

Paul Hawken is a California businessman and environmentalist. He advocates for socially and environmentally responsible business practices (and I certainly agree with that). He hosted a 17-part series on PBS about running socially responsible businesses. Again, another sane person who makes me wonder if he was told he was going to be in the same movie as David Icke and Adam Trombly…

Democracy Now! is a radio program on the Pacifica radio network, dedicated to progressive causes. I’ve never listened to the show, but browsing their material there seems to be a lot of stuff I agree with. Amy Goodman was arrested along with two other reporters at the 2008 Republican National Convention despite having committed no crime. The charges were eventually dropped.

As with several other respectable names here (Fitts, Hawken, Sahtouris, williams) I wonder what she is doing in a conspiracy theory movie.”

In fact, it is noteworthy that Mr. Robbins is most upset about the very same aspect of Thrive that most upsets me—its inclusion of David Icke. According to the Santa Cruz article, he was especially concerned with the inclusion in the film of Mr. Icke as well as G. Edward Griffin, both of whom are detailed on the Thrive website. The Santa Cruz Weekly article reports that Griffin is associated with the ultra-right-wing John Birch Society. As for David Icke, whose claim to fame is obviously (as I pointed out in my own piece on him) the conspiracy theory that the world is controlled by a race of shape-shifting reptilian aliens from the constellation Draco, the Weekly article raises exactly the same concerns about the anti-Semitic aspects of Mr. Icke’s theories as I’ve noted on this blog.

Furthermore, Mr. Robbins told the Santa Cruz Weekly that Foster Gamble has taken a lot of inspiration from the work of Eustace Mullins. Mullins is, in Mr. Robbins’s words, “the most anti-Semitic public figure in U.S. history.” The article mentions that Eustace Mullins is the author of a book called Adolf Hitler: An Appreciation. The mere title of that book should tell you what it’s about–and in this case the cover of the book is quite a good advertisement for what you’ll find inside. In that book Mullins rails against “Jewish international bankers” and alleges a plot by them for world domination. Near the end of the article, Mr. Robbins is quoted as saying, “Foster is extremely naïve about the political consequences of his film.”

I’ve stated on more than one occasion that I think the main problem with Foster Gamble is that he is naïve. I don’t think he’s a racist and I don’t think he’s a bad person. I’ve even begun to question whether I think his commitment to conspiracy theorist ideology runs very deep. But what I hear Mr. Robbins saying here is exactly what I’ve been thinking for the past five months.

What Does This Mean For Thrive? 

In my view, the statement issued yesterday, and the public dissociation of nine prominent people interviewed in the film from the finished product, is devastating. If Foster Gamble and the makers of Thrive had to misrepresent the film in order to sell it to the people they wanted to appear in it, as the nine undersigned allege, what does that say about the validity of the film and its message as a whole?

Thrive’s credibility has already suffered so many blows that very little of it remains. The inclusion of David Icke as a reliable source was just the tip of the iceberg. This very blog exposed further questions of credibility, when I published statements by inventor David Farnsworth who claims that the “free energy” device shown in Thrive and attributed to Adam Trombly was not in fact invented by Trombly, and does not do what the film says it does. The implication of that crisis is that, if Mr. Farnsworth’s claims are true, Foster Gamble seems not to have done a very good job in checking his sources and vetting the people who appear in Thrive. Yesterday’s allegation complicates further the question of how this film was made and what was said to the people who participated in it.

I’m curious if Foster Gamble will respond to the statement and if so, what he has to say about how the film was made and what was told to Mr. Robbins and the others who signed the statement.

There will probably be further developments regarding this story in the future. I’ll update this article as events warrant.

Update: 13 April 2012

John Robbins posted a comment on this article today in which he states that Adam Trombly has also signed the repudiation of the film.

I’m trying to learn more about this, especially Mr. Trombly’s reasons for doing so. If he has indeed walked away from Thrive, this represents the most significant defection yet–and an even more serious blow to the Thrive organization.

In a note posted on the movie’s official Facebook account, an unnamed spokesman said that Foster and Kimberly Gamble are traveling and will respond more fully later, but they didn’t knowingly misrepresent the film. The response quotes the disclaimer on the film that says they (the filmmakers) don’t agree with everything the people in the movie say. Presumably that works both ways.

I look forward to hearing what more the Thrive people have to say. But if even someone as closely identified with the film as Adam Trombly has been (up until this point) is scrambling for a life preserver, I’d venture a guess that Thrive is starting to resemble a sinking ship.

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126 responses to “Throwing Thrive Under the Bus: Progressives Interviewed in the Film Distance Themselves From Its “Dangerously Misguided” Ideas. (UPDATED!)”

  1. Mr. Anon says :

    I think this is the most significant credibility crisis Thrive has placed itself in, more so than David Fansworth. Gamble has backed up some of his less odious claims with the sources listed above. However, these sources have now come out against much of what the rest of the movie says.

    Perhaps most interesting to see is how Gamble himself will respond. He will have to reject these sources as “part of the GDA”, in which case he will not be able to justify other parts of his film.

    • SlayerX3 says :

      I just hope he doesn’t begin using too much false accusations and ad hominems, the thrive forums had his staff referring us and other skeptics as trolls or disinformation agents.

    • NonFiction says :

      “Mr. Anon says : April 12, 2012 at 3:07 am
      I think this is the most significant credibility crisis Thrive has placed itself in, more so than David Fansworth.”

      So he-said / they-said is more significant than hard evidence (like Polaroid photos and federal court documents)? Wow. Just wow.

      No wonder Gamble could sucker a million people into paying to watch that drivel.

      • Mr. Anon says :

        By “significant” I mean it will be harder for Gamble to support his claims. Trombly was important to the movie, but he was just one free energy advocates. Gamble can always pull up the others that he brought up (not validating his argument, but just saying that losing Trombly won’t be that significant).

        However, these progressives assist Gamble in many parts of his movie, and are key in promoting some of his New Age claims, which in turn are heavily used to back up his libertarian agenda.

      • NonFiction says :

        Mr. Anon: True, people are jumping ship. But again, these are just claims and opinions, not facts, whose “people” are fading away. Gamble went to great lengths to assure his watchers that everything was extensively fact-checked. When the truth came out that the generators belonged to other inventors, his assurances were blown out of the water, laying open all of those ideas (which are just words and opinions, not hard cold facts) to being disregarded as casually as the homeless man who says he is Napoleon claiming that he saw a UFO and had physical evidence – that he grabbed from the hand of an alien who was using it to levitate him into the ship to be abducted.

        The physical evidence turns out to be a meter that an electrician dropped in the alley during a repair. At that point, the homeless guy won’t lose even more credibility with me because he is not Napoleon – he never had that credibility to begin with. The UFO remains a claim, his identity remains an opinion, and the physical evidence (the part that I could have believed) is not at all what he claimed it was.

        Maybe I am too logical.

    • Sonya says :

      Actually if you read correctly these people actually still stand by everything that they said…As quoted in their letter. They also do not provide any factual disagreements. Amy Goodman is funded by the Rockafeller Foundation. John Robbins has just started a pro Soy campaign (Monsanto invented SOY)….Vadana Shiva works for John Robbins….DO SOME RESEARCH…

      • LynetteB says :

        Monsanto “invented” SOY? hahahahaha! Uh, mmmkay, sure, if Monsanto *pre-dates written history*! Seriously, please, I advise you to do some actual research before making such preposterous statements.

    • jtsuter says :

      Or those that dissociated are just trying to protect themselves from ridicule, even if the movie is mostly true. Never underestimate the power of the ego’s will to “stay on top” even at the expense of the virtues that it has espoused which brought that person to the top in the first place. Seems more plausible that they’re just afraid of being ruined.

      • muertos says :

        If these people are such shallow egomaniacal bastards, how do you explain why your hero-god Foster Gamble wanted them in his movie in the first place?

        Either Gamble is a dishonest charlatan who tricked them into being in a film for which the main points were not properly disclosed, or Gamble is a naive simpleton who was duped by them in his blind and foolhardy pursuit of the mainstream cachet he thought they would bring to his film.

        Which would you rather believe–charlatan or simpleton? Neither option makes your hero Mr. Gamble look very good, but I guess you’ll have to pick your poison, won’t you?

      • jtsuter says :

        Why not both? These scenarios don’t necessarily disprove the movie; rather, they are only indicators of human character flaws for those involved. And I never said he was my “hero god” nor do I thnk that, so please do not make assumptions and distort or exaggerate my post. In fact, I don’t trust foster gamble just as much as I dont trust people who are especially quick to debunk the film (or anything else) because of their own agenda. Everyone has an agenda, and I want to see past all of that in order to find the best explanation. I’m looking for the truth just as much as you are, so if you can provide a link or series of links to sites that cite solid evidence (along with multiple sources/references and not just “opinions”) that verify OR disprove the elements of Thrive, then I would be very interested in checking it out. I’ll keep looking myself. Thanks for the response; it gave me some additional insight.

      • muertos says :

        The fact that you think “the movie is mostly true” demonstrates that you’re not looking very hard for the truth you claim to be seeking. So too is your characterization of the solid evidence–along with multiple sources/references–presented on numerous pages of this blog that disprove the elements of Thrive as “opinions.” Not very much of Thrive is true, and its claims break down almost immediately upon even a perfunctory inquiry.

      • jtsuter says :

        I should have typed “even if the movie turns out to be mostly true”, but regardless, I didn’t see how extensive your site was until this morning. You definitely have a lot of good information here, and I’d like to assemble all of the evidence, claims, rebuttals, etc into a visualization that might help everyone see it all in a holistic way. I’m a data analyst that specializes in visualization and decomposition analysis of complex systems, so it might be useful for you if you’re interested in previewing the work (I would do this for free of course). It would be especially interesting to see the sources of all the information and how the info was used and/ or transformed over time.

      • muertos says :

        That would be interesting to see.

  2. The Locke says :

    Could Thrive be the most deceptive film ever? Not only has Foster Gamble deceived the people who view the film, and believe it, but he’s even deceived the creditable people in the film by getting them into appear in that film, when in the end, they wouldn’t have appeared in the film if they really knew what it was about!

  3. internetjimjesus says :

    Also worth noting that Stefan Molyneux who they credit on their website for being the foundation for the libertarian ideas in the film has said they he tried watching it and was confused by it’s conspiracy theory nonsense. Since then he’s declined to comment or be involved with anything else regarding the film. Won’t even respond to questions about it.

  4. carboncoach @carboncoach says :

    Why I don’t like the ‘Thrive’ movie; or – how i learned to love the ‘black boxes’ i already had http://networkedblogs.com/wkbwg #renewable #solar

  5. iheartubuntu1 says :

    While much can be said either way about the movie Thrive, the point of the movie is to get people thinking instead of being focused on what is on TV during prime time hours.

    The critical reviews I am now reading around the internet are pretty basic as far as I can see. Complaints about things Foster says creates “leaps” leading to more questions. Really? This is the point of the movie. Get people to think, ask questions and find their own answers.

    With the gigantic number of Americans dumbed down on mind numbing pharmaceuticals (10% of the US military is now on some form of anti-depressant) someone has to ask the basic questions Foster asked. Any businessman will know the answers all wont be in the first film, leading to a second film. Isnt that assumption almost a given? Why didnt John Robbins write EVERYTHING about nutrition all in ONE book? He choose to sell several books instead. Do you get my point? Robbins is highly critical of Gamble on this, yet Robbins does the exact same thing.

    You know this is all really petty. Foster does not have to clearly spell out “Koch Brothers” in his film. Doing some research as recommended in the movie will ultimately lead you straight to the Koch Brothers.

    If Foster misrepresented the film and its points to the disgruntled group I agree that was incredibly stupid and wrong. But, How was it misrepresented? I think to be fair to Foster Gamble this should be written out in full detail how Robbins and others feel they were misrepresented.

    So how did it go exactly Mr Robbins? Foster asked you to be in a movie about free energy and how ideas could become actions if we just start waking up? He also told you he was going to cover the big banks? And you agreed and did the interview right? And then whats next? You found out people like David Icke were also in the film and your political agendas dont match Fosters agendas so now you are angry and feel misrepresented?

    Did you not ask Foster the right questions? Who else would be interviewed for the film, What are the main points being covered, is there anything that could be deemed controversial, and so on. Dont you have some burden at all to ask simple basic questions before appearing a movie that could potentially go viral on the internet? Some due diligence perhaps?

    From personal life experiences, I think there is a little bit of truth in each of your sides of the story and therefore both share the fault.

    • muertos says :

      “While much can be said either way about the movie Thrive, the point of the movie is to get people thinking instead of being focused on what is on TV during prime time hours.”

      No. The point of the movie is to induce belief in conspiracy theories in support of New Age ideas, and to build support for a radical right-wing libertarian political agenda. It is not to get people to think, because when people believe in conspiracy theories they stop thinking.

      • iheartubuntu1 says :

        I disagree. Each person takes something different from this movie, as with any movie, documentary, book, news article, blog, etc. What I take or not take is up to me and wont exactly mimic your views. TO think each person takes from this movie one core belief of yours that it induces new age ideas or consiracy theories is a bit niave, is it not?

        I really dont understand “radical right wing libertarian”. What is liberty but the protection of everyones property, life and happiness. As to who the Democrats or GOP claim to be these days… neither of them are libertarians in the pursuit of liberty at all. Radical right wing does not coincide with libertarian, nor does radical left wing.

      • muertos says :

        Sorry, but you can’t wish away the implications of the film by saying that it’s just meant to “make people think.” That’s the equivalent of 9/11 Truthers, after spinning their false and offensive conspiracy theories about September 11 (which they firmly believe to be fact), trying to backtrack by saying, “Well, we’re just asking questions.” No one is fooled by that maneuver anymore.

        Both Peter Joseph Merola, the creator of “Zeitgeist: The Movie,” and Dylan Avery, creator of “Loose Change,” and their supporters, when challenged about the factual bankruptcy of their films and the toxic nature of the conspiracy theories they were proffering as truth, retreated into vague statements about how all they were trying to do with their films was “make people think.” In the meantime the true purpose of these films was to assert the truth of the conspiracy theories contained in them, and that was very apparent. The same thing is going on here.

      • iheartubuntu1 says :

        While I think looking at different sides of issues is important and thank you for the time and effort put into this, it is also clear you have your own agenda.

        When you first started this blog, you stated the core point the movie was that “free” energy technologies were being suppressed by various conspiratorial forces. But now, you are saying its to induce belief in conspiracy theories and to build support for radical right wing libertarian political agendas.

        We have but one life on this earth. Our clocks tick down to zero each minute. Its been said that time is money. Thats not entirely true. Time is everything. When we run out of time on this planet, thats it. People dont just spend hours, days, or months of their lives writing blogs for the hell of it. I dont see see any google ads on your website so you are more than likely being funded by some other source, perhaps the radical left wing socialist political machine.

      • muertos says :

        If you think someone is paying me to write this blog, you should register your opinion here!
        https://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/poll-is-the-creator-of-this-blog-a-paid-disinformation-agent/

      • Douglas Barnes says :

        I have written volumes on a number of sites, including several of my own without ever being paid to do so. Not everything is about money. I did enjoy the faulty logic, though.

      • Mr. Anon says :

        iheartubuntu, I’m sorry if some of us seem a bit hostile towards you. I’ve realized that you are much nicer than most Thrive fans here (compare to the death threats Muertos has faced). Your comments are pretty engaging, and I’m glad to see you are willing to look at both sides of the claims Gamble raises.

        I can’t speak for Muertos, but there are reasons to work to debunk movies like Thrive. Thrive is misleading because many people (like me) expected it to have a rational and interesting message about how to best solve the current issues humanity faced (which, before I watched the film, I assumed were going to be things like global warming, etc). At the end, however, what I ended up getting is libertarian rhetoric.

        One might say that I could just ignore such a movie. Alas, I have a personal stake here. My own father has been brainwashed by this movie, and it is painful for me to see him bring up claims of the Rothschilds controlling the US military or a desire to return to a gold standard. I personally know how deceptive this movie is, and I am thankful that I was properly equiped with information about the 9/11 conspiracies and free energy claims before I watched the movie.

      • Rolando says :

        There is a difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy facts. Conspiracies do exist, simply put, human beings have the capacity for both good and evil. And those who think that there are no societal forces of evil at work here are naive. Now, maybe there is not just one set of people doing this in unison but that does not imply it does not exist. Just look around…The fact is that the U.S. backed by powerful economic forces (By the way not necessarily just Jews bankers) have turn us ( the American people) into a glorified collections agency, using and trading with devalued dollars. This forces have kept, for example, an impoverished Latin America with political assassinations, IMF and World Bank loans impossible to pay back etc… places like Salvador or the most recent events in Bolivia recently portrait in the movie “Even the Rain”. I just do not understand how people can go to sleep knowing that somewhere in the world a child dies of hunger every 60 seconds .The Earth is not scarcity but abundance and those who oppose this idea of abundance fail to see that under the current systems the rest of the world is not thriving (sorry for the cliche, point not intended)but simply dying or surviving. Meanwhile a lot of us in (mostly the middle class) are just happy with the scraps these powerful forces kick down to us and we say “Fuck them let them fend for themselves”. No! wake up a realize that this film “Thrive” is just the beginning not an end… All I know is that if we do not change our ways we will be doomed sooner rather that later.

      • NonFiction says :

        True!

        Here is where I have the problem:

        “We encourage a transparent, respectful, informed and constructive dialog that can address the specifics…We spent decades doing our homework on these issues and stand with complete integrity and clarity behind the facts represented…”

        I have already seen (and publicly proven) that these statements are false. Too bad, because that undermines their message to anyone with critical thinking skills.

      • Rolando says :

        This is the whole quote from Mr. Gamble “We spent decades doing our homework on these issues and stand with complete integrity and clarity behind the facts represented in THRIVE. We welcome meaningful dialog and otherwise consider it dangerous to undermine the millions of us who are standing up to expose the covert global scheme amongst the elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies to destroy the economies of countless nations, take over their resources, and kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along”. You seriously think that this is not true, specifically the last part of the quote? Then your critical thinking needs to expand beyond the most obvious disagreements that may have occurred amongst the people that wrote the letter of disassociation. However it is clear that Mr. Gamble is saying let us discuss further and not just throw a bomb to discredit their hard work and efforts. I like this quote’ follow the money” The system is rigged and the disagreements are just that disagreements. For the sake of this planet and our species, it is my hope that Mr. Robbins and Mr. Gamble have a heart to heart and find common ground because the most important thing is the future of our children’s children and not the petty differences between both sides.

      • Hollywood Tomfortas says :

        Rolando,

        When I read this sentence of Foster Gamble,

        . . . and otherwise consider it dangerous to undermine the millions of us who are standing up to expose the covert global scheme amongst the elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies to destroy the economies of countless nations, take over their resources, and kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along.”

        I interpret it as a thinly veiled but unmistakable death threat against anyone who dares to criticize THRIVE. You are either with Gamble or against him, and if you are against him, then somewhere down the road, you will be liquidated by those he will enable to practice the violence that he preaches so self-righteously against.

        There is a striking historical precedent for the THRIVE Movement. It was called the Wandervoegel Movement that started in Germany a little over 100 years ago. It did take them 20 years, but finally they welcomed Adolf Hitler with open arms in 1933 and became the Hitler Youth. Oh, and they were pretty strongly Anti-Jewish all along/ Of course Gamble & Co. consider themselves Anti-Zionist, but I suppose it’s just a happenstance of history that the majority of Zionists are themselves Jewish. Kill them all, ask questions later, let Jehovah sort them out, perhaps?

        Mister Gamble is not interested in dialogue with anyone who disagrees with him; therefore, he is only interested in power for himself because he will not acknowledge the darkness or shadow within himself. Instead he scapegoats his critics in the same way that the Wandervoegel scapegoated the Jews. Of course he will wash his hands of the violence, like Pontius Pilate washed his hands of Jesus’ murder.

        I’m not saying that Foster Gamble is the Adolf Hitler figure of the THRIVE Movement. But I am saying he is the unwitting prophet, precursor and most of all, co-dependent enabler of such a future figure.

        Here’s a quote for you and everyone in the THRIVE Movement:

        “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
        —- George Santayana (1863-1952)

      • LynetteB says :

        @Hollywood Tomfortas, regarding your comment (posted April 20 at 1:30 am), I am certain you misinterpreted that first paragraph quoted by Foster Gamble… Gamble was not making death threats by that statement, rather, he was implying that the “elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies” – not them – “kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along.”

        (FYI, I too am a Thrive skeptic – in fact, I’ve tried watching it a few times and can’t even get past the first half hour or so – just saying I’m pretty sure he didn’t say what you think he said, and I think the last thing this debate needs is Thrive-disciples accusing Thrive-skeptics of creating more “disinformation”!)

  6. iheartubuntu1 says :

    Sorry, Im too paranoid to answer that.

  7. Hollywood Tomfortas says :

    Eric Johnson, the author of the above Santa Cruz.com article, published one the month before.

    http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/03/13/the_right_libertarian_agenda_at_the_heart_of_thrive

    The Hidden Right-Wing Agenda at the Heart of ‘Thrive’

    Locally produced cult film lionizes anti-tax crusaders and conspiracy theorists

    Thrive, a highly polished two-hour documentary that was released on the Web in November and screens this Thursday, March 15, at the Del Mar, sells itself as an optimistic vision of a utopian future marked by “free energy,” freedom from oppression and spiritual awakening. But on its way to depicting its dream-world utopia, Thrive delivers a dark and dishonest version of the real world and espouses a blend of paranoid conspiracy theories and right-libertarian propaganda. . . . .

    • Rolando says :

      Hello Hollywood and muertos:

      Just for kicks.

      Check this out http://torontohearings.org/ many in the scientific community around the world are seeking the truth about 9-11 as well. Conspiracy theorist! You talk about “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” by golly if we just dismiss what happened we will repeat it. But then, what am I talking about?

      Again just for kicks…

      Have you check the latest documentary called “A noble Lie” about the Oklahoma bombing. Watch it then tell me if the people in this film are all conspiracy theorist also. They are common folks asking the most obvious questions and citizens taking upon themselves to search for the truth.
      Have you read “Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley? Again the history of mankind have been full of human beings, states and social institutions trying very hard to control everyone else… the “renaissance” ring a bell.
      The UFOs in the film thrive could be disputed but the “follow the money” concepts such as bankers running countries by controlling the money systems and wanting global control is not far fetch at all. Let me finish with this quote. In your opinion Thomas was also a conspiracy theorist ;)

      “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs “Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826)

      • muertos says :

        That Jefferson quotation is fake. He was not a conspiracy theorist, but whoever made up the quote probably was. Read the true story here:
        http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation

        “A Noble Lie” is a bunch of conspiracy theorist crap.
        The Toronto Hearings are a ridiculous publicity show by sad, washed-up 9/11 Truthers whose claims have been refuted over and over again for years.

        The problem with your assertion that these sorts of things represent “common folks asking the most obvious questions” is that the correct answers are equally obvious, and evident at the very beginning of any serious research on these subjects. The fact that people continue to ask them, even after they’ve already been resolved, indicates that they’re not really interested in the answers–at least, answers that don’t lead to the predetermined conclusion of conspiracy.

      • Rolando says :

        You know I checked that link and it does not say that the quote is not real it just say that it is a bad paraphrasing or “.The third part of this quotation (“The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs”) may be a misquotation of Jefferson’s comment to John Wayles Eppes, “Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs.” [5] so again like with your issues with Thrive you selectively choose what is convenience to your argument. I wonder why you do this. I bet you say those things about the film “A Noble Lie” and you have not even seen the film. These people have nothing to gain by searching for the truth. I guess you are the kind of person that prefer to to deal with the horrible fact that there is evil in this world and this evil is coming from the most secretive dealings unimaginable but you rather debunked conspiracies than expose the dealings that keep humanity in economic bondage and spiritual stagnation.

  8. suzannetaylor says :

    To add some info to all this, I am the filmmaker for “What On Earth? Inside the Crop Circle Mystery” http://CropCircleMovie.com, and was invited to look at a rough cut of THRIVE to review the crop circle content, I was concerned lest the movie be taking positions that people who were interviewed would object to, and I said I thought it was urgent to confirm with them that indeed they would be
    happy being in the movie. Although I was assured they would get to see it to approve it that never happened, and the statement some of them just put out is the other shoe dropping.

  9. suzannetaylor says :

    To add some info to all this, I am the filmmaker of “What On Earth? Inside the Crop Circle Mystery” http://CropCircleMovie.com, and was invited to look at a rough cut of THRIVE to review the crop circle content, I was concerned lest the movie be taking positions that people who were interviewed would object to, and I said I thought it was urgent to confirm with them that indeed they would be
    happy being in the movie. Although I was assured they would get to see it to approve it that never happened, and the statement some of them just put out is the other shoe dropping.

  10. Hollywood Tomfortas says :

    Some irreverent paid government disinformation agent decided to troll as Ronald McDonald on the ever so serious commentary about the notorious Gang of Nine, who themselves may be paid government disinformation agents in the movie itself! (Wow! Muertos, you must be proud to be included in such good company, to have as your colleagues such famous disinfo agents like Deepak Chopra, Amy Goodman, and even the man on the moon astronaut Edgar Mitchell!)

    http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progressives_denounce_thrive

    Ronald McDonald
    Fri, Apr 13, 2012 – 8:23 am

    Golly gee-willikers, boys and girls, please, . . . pretty please, . . . let’s just not be so negative about the THRIVE movie shall we, and instead, let’s look at things on the bright side and see how we can all best make our conflicts transform into a fun-fun, win-win situation, and then we can all be happy, but most of all, we can all . . . . T-H-R-I-V-E!!!

    Now since I’m the mascot of the happiest company and biggest food franchise on the entire planet earth, I hope you might consider my humble idea for helping all of you boys and girls here experience real thriving fun!

    What say that everyone reading this article go out today to the Baskin-Robbins store in your own hometown with your friends and family and order up your favorite ice cream cone or sundae or cake and just gorge on all that delicious dairy and sugar stuff. (Of course I would advise first a visit to my Golden Arches for a wonderful Happy Meal of our scrumptious protein. Then it’s on to dessert!)

    Then on the way home from B-R, be sure to stop in at your favorite super-market to buy an appropriate product made by the Procter & Gamble company! In this case of coming home from Baskin-Robbins, I suggest that everyone buy a tube of Crest Toothpaste, which has been the signature product of P&G since 1955.

    Then once you get home, boys and girls, and before you collapse from near insulin shock, please be sure to brush your teeth thoroughly with Foster’s favorite Crest Toothpaste, and then you can wash away all the icke bacteria—- (OMG, David, I’m so sorry, I meant to type ICKY bacteria, please forgive my typo)——that just love to eat their own favorite “happy meals” which consist of all the sugar they can find stuck on your teeth, especially after eating so much B-R ice cream and cake!

    As you might imagine, I am just bursting with wonderful family fun ideas for both B-R and P&G to cross-promote the movie THRIVE. Can you say action figures? Bobble-head dolls? But let’s wait on the store promotion stuff. I think it’s sufficient now just to enjoy that B-R ice cream and brush your teeth with Crest.

    Toodle-oo for now!!

    Ronald

    • muertos says :

      I like the idea of Thrive bobbleheads! I suggest an initial series of “collect all four”: Foster Gamble, David Icke, Nassim Haramein and Adam Trombly. Instead of shaking them, you just start spouting New Age rhetoric and conspiracy theories and they begin nodding incessantly. Since most of the rest of the cast has disavowed the film, I guess we’ll have to stop with these four, though if they really take off maybe we could do a Steven Greer one.

      Maybe Clear Compass Media could to a McDonald’s Happy Meal tie-in with Thrive. The burger wrappers will have plans for a Bedini device printed on the inside of them. One side of the box would have a Global Domination Agenda pyramid that the kids could color in with crayon, and on the other a “Follow the Money” maze. Every lucky 1,000th kid would receive a plastic trinket in the shape of the Flower of Life.

      What do you say? We can bring Thrive’s conspiracy nonsense to a whole new generation!

      • Hollywood Tomfortas says :

        Yes, I love it! But besides bobble-head dolls, I really want my own Foster Gamble Aikido Master Action Figure tm which would come in a kit with a corresponding Dragon or Godzilla-like monster Reptilian who would shape-shift into, say, Prince Harry and/or Prince William.

        Aikido you not!!!! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!

        Shape-shift? Hey, a new generation of Transformers . . . uh, let’s see Thriving Transformers . . . needs work.

        Wait, Global Domination Agenda sounds like a great title for a video game and then of course the shape-shifting is much easier to program in.

        For the girls, we can have a new generation of thriving Barbie dolls, only they would be Kimberly dolls. Instead of them having “arms akimbo,” they would have “arms akimberly!”

        And for Baskin Robbins, I suggest a new flavor of the month:

        Conspiracy Cream Cheese!!!

  11. Hollywood Tomfortas says :

    Muertos,

    Looks like John Robbin’s letter & article has finally gotten the attention of the THRIVE team. I don’t now who LeeW is, but this just appeared as a comment on the Santa Cruz Robbins article:

    ———————————-

    LeeW
    Thu, Apr 12, 2012 – 10:48 pm

    Foster and Kimberly are currently on tour hosting THRIVE screenings and meeting with various solutions groups in cities around the US. They look forward to offering a full response as soon as they have time. Meanwhile, Foster never received an email requesting a comment, and they never intentionally misled anyone in the movie. This statement has been in the credits of THRIVE all along:

    “The people in THRIVE do not necessarily agree with the themes, statements, claims or conclusions presented in the film or website, nor does their inclusion imply our full agreement with all of their views. The people interviewed have each contributed in some deep way to our understanding and we are grateful to them all.”

    We do not know of any film- documentary or otherwise- that could get made giving final say to the people who are in it. As those disassociating acknowledge, they stand by what was quoted in THRIVE and gave full authorization for their presence in a film that was described at the time as “a bold look at what is in the way of our thriving and what we can do about it”. A fuller response is coming. Thank you for your patience.

    The THRIVE team

    PS I am filming the process of posting this, a third time! Thx.

  12. John Robbins says :

    Adam Trombly has also signed the statement of disassociation from Thrive.

    • iheartubuntu1 says :

      John Robbins…

      Were have you been the last 5 months? Why denounce all of a sudden? Why didnt you do some due diligence and ask some very basic questions before accepting to be interviewed for a movie that could go viral on the internet?

      • Sonya says :

        John is on a pro soy campaign where he is spreading the word that soy can help cure cancer! Monsanto invented the soy bean and holds the life patent of the product. Vadana Shiva works for John. Follow the money upstream…you will see that Amy Goodman is also funded by the Rockafeller Foundation (who Thrive names in the film).

      • muertos says :

        If these people are so obviously horrible and corrupt, why did Foster Gamble want them in his movie in the first place?

      • LynetteB says :

        Sonya, seeing as the Thrive team insists on repeating the same Gamble-response post here, ad nauseam, I will follow suit: your statement that Monsanto “invented the soybean” is preposterous. (Other adjectives that come to mind are: absurd, ridiculous, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, senseless and outrageous.) Are you catching my drift yet? Cultivation of the soybean for agricultural purposes or otherwise pre-dates written history. Period.

        Furthermore, I am truly disturbed by your lack of knowledge regarding the important work that Robbins, Shiva & Goodman have performed in the name of a better humanity over many, many years, including alerting people to the dangers of GMOs and other critical food-security issues. Please, I beg you, shut down the computer and read some real books for a change.

    • Mr. Anon says :

      Is this really true? If that is the case, this is very, very significant.
      Muertos, you might want to reconsider that Trombly action figure.

      • NonFiction says :

        No, Trombly deserves a special figure of his very own. He didn’t need for Foster to misrepresent him, he can do that without Gamble’s help. I bet the others won’t want Trombly on their side…he’s not offended, he is just a turncoat. :-D

    • LW says :

      An official response from Foster and Kimberly has been posted below.

  13. Sean says :

    I disrespect anyone who uses the term “conspiracy theorist” because it is overly broad, and is used specifically to discredit en masse the opinions or views of the person being labeled as such.

    The very problem in this society is discussed by Icke in the film – that people are so concerned with the opinions of their peers (due to conditioning), that they will immediately disassociate with anything that might cause them to be ridiculed themselves.

    It is a fact, not a theory, that people conspire in private to benefit themselves. It is also a fact that wealthy people do the same. To dismiss all such ideas as conspiracy theories because proof of such conspiracy has not been publicly disclosed is foolish and naive.

    Furthermore, to dismiss all people who espouse such beliefs as “conspiracy theorists” goes a long way toward creating the death of free speech, curiosity, debate, open dialogue and the sharing of ideas among members of a society. Just say “conspiracy theorist” and all their views are immediately discredited.

    Intelligent people can see such a film and realize on their own that every single person speaking doesn’t support every single idea presented in the film.

    I’m also suspicious of people who openly attack and attempt to “debunk” such films, since it shows a need to fight with tenacity to protect their own reality structures – the status quo.

    The idea that a small group of wealthy bankers controls the world isn’t really far-fetched… it’s actually rather obvious to anyone who pays attention.

    • iheartubuntu1 says :

      Interesting read, thanks. On a micro scale you can go to any town or province in eastern europe and see firsthand that a small group of the wealthy control everything in each place. Actually, its no different here in America… the corruption is just covered by a series of laws giving legality to it all.

      What Tomfortas above posted about Ronald McDonald sending out a post is rather telling yet no one really picked up on it. I can come and post very easily as Mr Burger King or as Humpty Dumpty and get a rise out of people. I can also post as John Robbins, Deepak Chopra or Foster Gamble and people would blindly take it as fact. There are no set rules who you post as. Just fill in the blank.

      I agree. To want to stifle thoughts and opinions is in essence limiting free speech.

    • Mr. Anon says :

      “I’m also suspicious of people who openly attack and attempt to “debunk” such films, since it shows a need to fight with tenacity to protect their own reality structures – the status quo. ”

      If a movie makes false statements that dupe people into supporting fringe candidates like Ron Paul, why shouldn’t we try and debunk the said movie?

      Noam Chompsky, one of the most outspoken civil libertarians of our day, once noted that conspiracy theories (and I see no problem using that term) like the 9/11 truth movement often have the effect of distracting us from important issues at hand.

    • Mr. Anon says :

      “It is a fact, not a theory, that people conspire in private to benefit themselves. It is also a fact that wealthy people do the same. To dismiss all such ideas as conspiracy theories because proof of such conspiracy has not been publicly disclosed is foolish and naive.”

      This statemnet ifts exactly in line with Murertos’ point raised some time ago. Conspiracy theorists often turn issues into black-and-white matters. If we don’t agree with the New World Order theory, then we’re on the side of the wealthy, powerful big businesses. This disregards the fact that Muertos, Tom, SlayerX, and I are all progressive/liberals who oppose corporate influence over the government.

      There is a very big difference between saying “the Koch brothers have too much influence over our politicians” and saying “the Rothschilds control the US government through the federal reserve system”. One is true and backed through evidence (Herman Cain saying “I’m the Kock brothers’ brother from another mother”) and the other is unsourced and unfalsifiable (The Federal Reserve has some private ownership, but ultimately it is controlled through publically appointed offices. The Rothschilds have no place in it.)

      Ultimately, Thrive misleads its viewers by beginning with a progressive mindset through the use of these activists and ending with a libertarian “utopia”. Gamble himself is a Global Warming denier and advocates for the end of public education.

    • LW says :

      A comment from Foster and Kimberly is below.

    • Sonya says :

      Sean beautifully stated.

  14. Hollywood Tomfortas says :

    The Daily Bell, a strong free-market Libertarian blog which did the most comprehensive and revealing interview of Foster Gamble on the Internet to date, has just weighed in on the impending implosion of THRIVE due to the heinous betrayal of THRIVE by the notoriously non-Libertarian “Gang of Nine.”

    But at least they don’t consider the Gang of Nine to be paid government disinformation agents. (Hey, Muertos, that might be a good follow-up poll to take: Do you believe that the 9 dissociators are gov’t agents?)

    In fact, they seem to agree with Muertos about the New Agey-UFO stuff, but their worry is that Foster’s genuine Libertarian free market ideas will be invalidated by all the woo-woo stuff.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3788/As-Predicted-Attacks-on-Thrive-the-Movie-Have-Begun

    As Predicted, Attacks on Thrive, the Movie Have Begun

    Dominant Social Theme: “Thrive” is a movie by, of and for kooks.

    Free-Market Analysis: As we suspected, the counterattacks have begun. We questioned “Thrive” and its composition from the beginning, but liked it more once we saw it. We interviewed the movie’s maker, who certainly seems sincere about it, and at the time we suggested we shouldn’t have jumped to certain conclusions.

    But despite our more favorable impression, we remained skeptical about certain aspects of the film. While the film has reached over a million viewers and has had a considerable impact, we were always somewhat doubtful of the larger composition. We wrote this after we interviewed him:

    In previous comments, we were negative about Thrive, pointing to its supposed “New Age” and “aliens-among-us” approach. In this review we were certainly more positive. But as part of our larger effort to be even-handed, we should probably point out that the movie has been alleged to contain Illuminati symbolism in certain graphics and certain supposed factual errors. As we mentioned above (and suspected) the movie is being accused of subtly fostering a one-world agenda …

    And now the attacks on the movie, predictably, are growing. The attacks are aimed at the parts of the film we were most doubtful about – the “New Age-y” stuff and the “aliens among us” meme.

    What this surely does is discredit the movie’s larger message about the Way the World Works. That message, featuring an explanation of the power elite that apparently wants to control things globally, is an important one. But it is in danger of getting confused with other issues.

    • Mr. Anon says :

      Nobody here has claimed yet that the Gang of 9 (10 including Trombly) are government trolls. I do expect, however, for someone to claim that they were intimidated into backing out of Thrive or something of the like.

      • Hollywood Tomfortas says :

        Mr. Anon,

        Don’t hold your breath about Trombly. He’s not about to sign the letter unless it will be to his own advantage. Because of the unwanted attention focused on him by Muertos and me, he continues his vile character assassination of David Farnsworth because that’s the only card Trombly can play now.

        At the end of this “fatwa” against Farnsworth on his website, he does get around to writing about the letter which I excerpt below.

        http://projectearth.com/founder-essays/view/45-really-correcting-the-record

        It may be of interest to some that I was invited to join the group of fellow interviewees who wish to dissociate from the movie Thrive. I have great respect for all of them. I received a lovely letter of invitation to join this group from my old friend John Robbins.

        Like Robbins and other signers of the letter I have serious differences with the final edit of the movie.

        Even so, I am saddened by attacks on Foster Gamble (or anyone else for that matter) by individuals who hide behind pseudonyms and take pleasure in causing pain. I am not speaking of the signers of the aforementioned list. I am speaking of bullying cowards who place no value on the accuracy of their statements.

        Let no one fool you into believing that there is not an Emergency on Earth. David Icke and those who say that Climate Change is a scam do a great disservice to us all. I cannot be associated with nor endorse anything that embraces such a view on this subject.

      • LW says :

        Please have a look at Foster and Kimberly’s comment below.

  15. LeeW says :

    Foster and Kimberly are currently on tour hosting THRIVE screenings and meeting with various solutions groups in cities around the US. They look forward to offering a full response as soon as they have time. Meanwhile, Foster never received an email requesting a comment, and they never intentionally misled anyone in the movie. This statement has been in the credits of THRIVE all along:

    “The people in THRIVE do not necessarily agree with the themes, statements, claims or conclusions presented in the film or website, nor does their inclusion imply our full agreement with all of their views. The people interviewed have each contributed in some deep way to our understanding and we are grateful to them all.”

    We do not know of any film- documentary or otherwise- that could get made giving final say to the people who are in it. As those disassociating acknowledge, they stand by what was quoted in THRIVE and gave full authorization for their presence in a film that was described at the time as “a bold look at what is in the way of our thriving and what we can do about it”. A fuller response is coming. Thank you for your patience.

    The THRIVE team

    • NonFiction says :

      There were also many statements about how the movie was fact-checked. Those were obviously phony…sorry, “Thrive team”, you guys are going to have to grow up and stop making excuses.

      Reality bites.

    • anticultist says :

      Must suck to be on the thrive team, always having to back pedal, and fabricate some new PR stunt to cover your inadequate prior actions.

      • LW says :

        Foster and Kimberly’s response below.

      • anticultist says :

        Yet more bullshit from the Thrive team.

      • LeeW says :

        Thanks for your constructive response anticultist :)

      • anticultist says :

        You are very welcome, being that what I said was fairly accurate since the Thrive makers/team have just thrown a pile of steamy turd together in a video and not bothered to fully research any of the information’s authenticity. It can simply be stated as yet more bullshit from the Thrive team.

      • Sonya says :

        Rather the Thrive team than a corporate job… :D

      • anticultist says :

        Which is why people like you will always be poor and stupid.

  16. Roman says :

    “Hollywood Tomfortas says : April 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    [...] Wow! Muertos, you must be proud to be included in such good company, to have as your colleagues such famous disinfo agents like Deepak Chopra, Amy Goodman, and even the man on the moon astronaut Edgar Mitchell!) [...]”

    As your irony sometimes isn’t clear for all of us, please tell us, how you voted in the poll. I’m curious about your honest(!) opinion, for this blog became somehow a historical underground discussion.

    “Hollywood Tomfortas says : April 6, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    [...]
    Heh, Heh, Heh, what a great move for the black-ops/psy-ops agencies behind the puny low-level paid disinformation agents like me and Muertos! [...]”

    Just in this specific case, please be honest and do not use any rhethorical irony. How did you vote, respectively do you think, Muertos is somehow connected to disinformation and/or disctraction?

    As for the GDA issue, there’s another documentary film, including Noam Chomsky, one of the “good guys”, as Mr.Anon implies above – and I agree.
    In this documentary he refers to the US political system as a polyarchic one, “not democratic and not intended to be [so]“.

    Ethos (2011)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1707818/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td_N8DB2FsM#t=480s&hd=1 (with an introduction by Woody Harrelson)

    Another interesting point: In my copy they start right away with the money/FED/debt-issue. And a lot of mainstream media/politician’s contradictions.

    Woody Harrelson: “However we live in a world full of conspiracy theories, and all I ask is that you keep an open mind, but question everything.”

    Muertos, do you deny your corrupt government? Are these your evidences for a true democratic government/world (if I may exaggerate)?

    • Roman says :

      aerghs.. “evidences” starting at 3:41min!
      strange, my copy of this video doesn’t have this New Age Intro..

  17. Margaret Husko says :

    Seriously? You have created an entire blog site to debunk Thrive? Why? Why is it so pressing for you to bebunk this film? What worries you the most? I must say….you doth protest too much. Your time might be better spent finding solutions to some of the serious issues our world is facing right now. Your passion to discredit this film (as if it had the popularity of Titanic) discredits you.

  18. Hollywood Tomfortas says :

    I posted the John Robbins letter on Foster Gamble’s own blog
    http://www.thrivemovement.com/foster-gamble-responds-to-thrive-critiques.blog
    and got this one comment so far.

    I don’t blame these people when you look at the potential risks? They (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) are capable of assassination and discreditation on a mass scale. The signatories are well known and have images and reputations to maintain …. and no doubt healthy bank balances to match. To have all that taken away would be a great hardship. The film THRIVE is a great adventure and is bound to provoke controversy in its bid to outline just how far wrong this planet has progressed. Still, with imminent earth changes on the primary agenda we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be distracted. A blessing to all these signatories for the great work they have done. A blessing to for Foster and Kimberly for their valuable contribution to mankind.

    Wow! She plays the “Assassination Card!” So, Muertos, maybe you can put up another poll on who is more likely to be assassinated, you or Foster Gamble or Deepak or Mitchell or Amy . . . .

    • muertos says :

      Honestly I’m surprised that no Thrive fans have accused me of orchestrating the repudiation letter and bullying the 10 to sign it. Then again, I would suspect that few Thrive fans want to engage with this issue on any level.

      Conspiracy theorists have a unique capacity to wish away unpleasant facts. Right now the Robbins letter is highly visible, but when it fades from the forefront, I predict that Thrive fans will carry on as if it doesn’t exist. (Possibly Foster Gamble will do that too). I guarantee you that in six months’ time very few Thrive fans will even be aware that 10 of the people in it have disassociated themselves from it, and if I point it out to them, they’ll just shrug and say that it doesn’t mean anything. Then they’ll just keep on believing it.

      There are some 9/11 Truthers out there who are still proudly pushing “Loose Change” as gospel truth. Many who do are genuinely unaware that Dylan Avery and the other makers of the film repudiated it and have said publicly that they were wrong, or else they simply ignore this fact. Thus, even if Foster Gamble himself were to change his mind and withdraw the film, it wouldn’t matter to the fans one bit. They want to continue believing in their conspiracy theories, and they won’t let the small matter of the real world interfere with that belief.

    • Sonya says :

      Yes Kimberly is kind and gracious even when John Robbins expressed his opinions with such volatile rigor. Bless those Gambles!

  19. Letma Peoplego says :

    Lots of dogma on this site.

  20. LW says :

    As those who have seen THRIVE know, we are committed to a bold inquiry into what is really in the way of our thriving – and to offering much more than just a tweak to our fundamentally flawed and failing system.

    One of our core approaches in making THRIVE was to hear from people with differing points of view and to go for vital information regardless of the political affiliations of the source. That way we could do our own informed and critical thinking and glean the principles and facts from which true, just and lasting solutions can be created.

    We encourage a transparent, respectful, informed and constructive dialog that can address the specifics of any differences some of the pioneers in THRIVE might have with us. Although the letter of dissociation raised no specific issues, we understand from John Robbins’ articles and the correspondence that he wrote soliciting others to participate in his disinformation campaign that the objections range from ET presence, to naming the reality of the Global Domination Agenda, to validating Zero Point Energy, to adhering to the Principle of Non-violation. Wow, not much of a movie left after eliminating those taboo inquiries!

    We encourage everyone reading this to watch THRIVE and determine for yourselves if you agree that there is enough evidence to warrant additional dialog – about a covert agenda, about revolutionary new technologies and about bold strategies for achieving true liberty and justice for all.

    We spent decades doing our homework on these issues and stand with complete integrity and clarity behind the facts represented in THRIVE. We welcome meaningful dialog and otherwise consider it dangerous to undermine the millions of us who are standing up to expose the covert global scheme amongst the elite and their secret societies and intelligence agencies to destroy the economies of countless nations, take over their resources, and kill whatever leaders or people don’t play along.

    Further hit and run communications are of little interest to us, especially as it distracts from time better spent with motivated solutions groups forming all over the world who are awakening to the agenda and taking actions based on integrity and freedom rather than staying confined by outworn and deceptive political polarities.

    We encourage those who have publicly dissociated to offer their best information and solutions rather than spending time trying to undermine ours.

    Each of the pioneers in THRIVE were invited because their expertise in a particular area had been helpful in our gaining an understanding of the bigger picture that includes, but vastly transcends, their sector of expertise -or anyone’s political affiliation. We clearly state this in the movie:

    “The people in THRIVE do not necessarily agree with the themes, statements, claims or conclusions presented in the film or website, nor does their inclusion imply our full agreement with all of their views. The people interviewed have each contributed in some deep way to our understanding and we are grateful to them all.”

    We are encouraged by the millions of viewers, thousands of self-created screenings, the hundreds of THRIVE Solutions groups forming to get on with what’s needed now – informed and leveraged action. People from all over the world- Greece, Poland, India, Portugal and more have voluntarily translated THRIVE into their languages to get the important information to their cultures. THRIVE is now translated into 18 different languages and we hear from people all over the world about the value THRIVE is offering in their cultural transformations.

    We also are moved by the healings being reported in families, workplaces and communities as millions are getting the bridge between worldviews and beyond unnecessary and dangerous divide-and-conquer illusions. The new conversation, about what is really going on and solutions with human rights as primary, is, fortunately, unstoppable.

    As stated in the book “1984”, “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” There is a well-informed, nonviolent revolution brewing and we welcome constructive contributions from everyone ready to participate.

    Foster and Kimberly Gamble

    • iheartubuntu1 says :

      That was quite a reply Foster & Kimberly. Thank You. You did not back down and it shows class, passion and determination. For everyone here that is not in favor of the Thrive movie, I get it and I offer my own digital olive branch to each and every one of you. While I may not agree with 100% of what Foster says in his movie, he is the first one making a documentary that at least tries to offer solutions. These can now be debated and in some future form put into action. To get people talking IMO is essential to fixing all of the various problems at hand.

      • muertos says :

        From the very first day I put up this blog I’ve offered my solution for a better world: stop believing in unsupportable conspiracy theories.

        To date, not a single Thrive fan has ever wanted to talk about putting that solution into action.

      • iheartubuntu1 says :

        muertos, It is my personal belief that some of the ideas in the film could no longer be construed as mere “conspiracy theories”. I would have to watch the film all over again to document every point, which frankly I don’t have time for right now. Since you are documenting everything on this blog to support your theories, do you have a link going one by one for every point brought up in the film? That would give some form of credibility to what you are saying. As far as climate change is concerned… this is still very debatable right now. Earth changes have obviously gone on for millions of years. I don’t discount there are changes going on right now, but to pin it solely on humans is a big stretch for me.

      • muertos says :

        “As far as climate change is concerned… this is still very debatable right now.”

        I’m afraid you could not be more wrong about this. The scientific consensus for anthropogenic global warming is overwhelming and conclusive. The planet is getting warmer, and we (humans) are causing it (or at least making it significantly worse). Although global warming denial is not addressed in Thrive except very briefly, I’m planning to do an article debunking global warming denial, because Foster Gamble has made clear that he denies the scientific reality of anthropogenic global warming, and because I feel very strongly that this issue is the single most important issue facing the world today–and it is an issue that most Thrive fans simply don’t believe exists. Here is a prime example of how harmful and destructive this movie and the conspiracy milieu surrounding it really is.

      • Rehsab Thgir says :

        The first one making a documentary that tries to offer solutions to problems the world faces? I can only assume that you were born yesterday. At any rate, I’m too damn busy actually fixing the problems (sequestering carbon, designing and implementing water catchment systems to rehydrate arid and at risk landscapes, reafforesting landscapes, designing and building climate-appropriate sustainable housing, establishing ecosystemic organic agricultural systems) to talk about it, especially with people who believe in fantasies.

    • muertos says :

      So, I am to understand that Mr. and Mrs. Gamble are now accusing John Robbins of embarking on a “disinformation campaign” to discredit his movie? Where is his evidence of that?

      This statement is extremely disappointing. Mr. Gamble had the opportunity to address the serious factual, logical and rational errors in his film, but he hasn’t done so. Instead he’s doubled down and gone for broke.

      By “we welcome constructive contributions,” it seems that Mr. Gamble means, “we welcome the participation of anyone who agrees with our conspiracy theories. Anyone who disagrees is ‘disinformation.’”

      • Sonya says :

        John Robbins said ” He was humbled” when he say Thrive….6months later….This happens. I am curious to know who paid off John Robbins. Now I see he has launched a full soy campaign which we all know Monsato invented soy…ANd Thrive is largely against Monsanto…Doesn’t really take much to follow the money upstream…Do some better research. But in the science world we call it Bias. You only search for what you want to be looking for. Also you hide from the public yet you expect/ find it acceptable for Foster Gamble to be open and willing target practice.

      • biLL says :

        I believe you are woefully caught up in a ‘conspiracy theory’ of your own Mr muertos … yours takes the form of insisting that all ‘conspiracy theories’ are wrong. I suppose you are sure the Bolsheviks, Nazis, and Maoists just ”coincidently’ ended up in charge of Russia, Germany, and China. I’m quite sure you would have had a blog to prove no conspiracy was involved.

        Your statements on Global Warming, naive as they are, are still quite amusing, and believed by many many people, but of course no conspiracy is involved. I note this article, if you read it perhaps you can answer a simple question .. how much is 1 + 1?

        Global Warming

        Probably few remember or know about the Theater of the Absurd, which was semi-popular with semi-intellectuals in the 1960’s. Some will be familiar with Dadaism and Surrealism, philosophy buffs will remember the Existentialists and Camus, but most will surely draw a blank on the term Pataphysics. Pataphysics is the science of imaginary solutions; a parody of the theory and methods of science, usually expressed in nonsensical language. Nowadays Pataphysics goes by the name of Climate Theory, in its most popular version, and the phenomena most theorized about is Global Warming. What to do about Global Warming is the imaginary solution.

        The consensus is that the Earth is has perceptibly warmed during recent times. Coincidently during this warming period there are billions of people on the Earth, together with all the attendant industry required to support their life. Is there a cause and effect relationship between the Earth’s warming and human life? Well maybe. Many now insist there is just such a relationship; mostly due to human related carbon dioxide release into the atmosphere. Not that there is actual consensus on causes; development and deforestation are also blamed, but in general it is asserted that all causes are generated by human beings. Consensus is important, remember Ptolemy’s ‘Earth Centered Universe’ was accepted by consensus for some fifteen hundred years. The ‘media’ of those times was often the pulpit.

        Some things are quite obvious; take the making of wine for instance. Wine is a product of fermentation; yeast interacts with fruit sugar and creates ethanol, with carbon dioxide as a by-product. In a closed system, a wine bottle or cask, at a certain point the by-products become lethal to the yeast, and they die. The Earth is a closed system also, the current atmosphere is believed to be a product of chemicals from the Earth’s formation, volcanic out gassing, and much later photosynthesis; bacteria and early plants accomplishing the photosynthesis, which accounts for the oxygen content. If living organisms could change the atmosphere into the breathable product we have today, then of course living organisms could change it further; into something less than what is required for life. Given the opportunity organisms reproduce geometrically; in a closed system, sooner or later their by-products become lethal.

        The Pataphysicists assure us that long before there are enough living things to poison the atmosphere, the by-products, mostly carbon dioxide, will have already produced a hot-house effect, and most living things will already be dead from the heat. This ignores the possibility of worldwide catastrophes, which in the past caused massive specie extinctions. Comets and meteors aside, a small fluctuation in the sun’s energy output over a few hours could virtually sterilize the planet. Nevertheless, the Pataphysicists insist the imaginary solution is to control the release of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere; this will fix everything they say.

        Of course they are not actually going to control the emission of carbon dioxide; that would be an altogether absurd undertaking. Imagine for a moment people, cattle, dogs, cats, on and on, walking around with a scuba tank mounted on their backs, into which they breathe, their exhalations compressed, and later collected and stored. Imagine trying to feed, transport, treat medically, provide shelter, communicate with, and entertain billions of people without burning hydrocarbons. Imagine collecting two hundred million tons of carbon dioxide annually from the world’s volcanoes. No this is not the point of the program; the point is to make carbon dioxide emission an industry; a source of revenue to the state as ‘Emission Vouchers’ are bought and sold. Consider New Zealand’s ‘fart tax’ on farmers’ livestock, which emit ‘greenhouse gases’; no source of revenue to the state will go unexploited.

        Actual control of carbon dioxide emissions might be much worse, since all global weather models are woefully inadequate to predict effect from cause with any degree of certainty. How much carbon dioxide reduction is enough? How much is too much? What is the lead time between a reduction or increase and the effect on climate? What if, as some scientists suggest, the variations in energy from the sun mostly drive the climate, and this period is followed by one in which there is less energy from the sun; what will be the effect of reducing ‘greenhouse gases’? Who will make these decisions? How will they be chosen? What happens if they make a mistake?

        In the early 1940’s Edward Teller and others working on the Manhattan Project expressed the notion that once a chain reaction began with a nuclear weapon it might ‘ignite’ the atmosphere, because of a hypothetical fusion reaction of nitrogen nuclei. As we know they went ahead and tested fission and fusion bombs, and the atmosphere did not ignite. Some claim the new particle accelerator at CERN in Switzerland could generate a ‘black hole’ that could swallow the Earth, or spit out particles that could fry the planet. One physicist working on the project said if he thought that could happen he would be well away from there. To where? These are just two examples where a mistake in tinkering might have – may generate catastrophe; there are any number of cases where scientists with the best of intentions actually made mistakes which had major repercussions. The Pataphysicists propose to alter the climate!

        The Earth is not a habitat designed for human beings. It is a small piece of real estate in the ocean of the universe that has the ingredients for the propagation and sustainment of living organisms. It has not always been so, and will not always be so. The Cosmos is in flux; so far, on the microcosm of this planet, life has endured. To some extent people can alter their circumstances locally; usually by such things as clothing, shelter, and transporting necessities. To some extent they can alter their circumstances globally, but there are not yet such things as weather control, or the means to prevent volcanic eruptions or earthquakes. There is yet no means to ‘tweak’ the by-products of life and civilization wholesale with any reasonable expectation of altering calamity; in fact such ‘tweaking’ is as likely to generate problems as cure or prevent them.

        Is it worthwhile to eliminate waste, clean up and prevent pollution, recycle materials? Of course. Is the goal of more efficient fuels and renewable energy generation realistic? Certainly. Will a reduction in carbon dioxide, as a result of less dependency on hydrocarbon combustion positively influence worldwide climate? Who knows? Will the government, government scientists, government regulation provide all of these things, and maintain the Earth in its current state indefinitely? Or is that just another imaginary solution?

        William C. Samples
        ©2008

    • Sonya says :

      Finally some truth! On this bully’s page.

      • Rehsab Thgir says :

        Don’t use “we” when talking about the science world like it lends some kind of credibility to your CT cause. You are not a scientist, nor do you think like one.

  21. Mason Bilderberg says :

    Reblogged this on Illuminutti.

  22. Sonya says :

    Hey all people on the comment thread. Did you ever stop to think who is writing this debunked page?…At least Foster Gamble says his name and did not hide…Ever wonder if we actually researched the guy writing this stuff we might find just as much negative information as he is spouting out about the Gambles?…This is the biggest farce I have ever seen. PUT YOUR FACE OUT TO THE PUBLIC!! COME ON! Or are you scared that you will no longer have a blog to write if people found out who you are?

  23. A.M. Turing says :

    Sonya stated “Monsanto invented the soy bean and holds the life patent of the product”

    You are clearly misinformed. The origins of the Soy bean can be traced back to northern and central China. Soybeans were introduced to the United States around 1765 by Samuel Bowen. I really have no idea why you think that Monsanto created the soybean.

    • Mike Lewinski says :

      I imagine Sonya believes that Monsanto invented soy because of their patent on Roundup Ready soybeans.

      I can’t find any evidence of Sonya’s assertion that Amy Goodwin is funded by the Rockefeller. The Democracy Now website says the program is “funded entirely through contributions from listeners, viewers, and foundations. We do not accept advertisers, corporate underwriting, or government funding.”

      (Which could include the Rockefeller Foundation… I imagine that some foundations are also corporations so I don’t know how to square those things).

      Nor is there any evidence that I can find about Vandana Shiva working for Robbins.

  24. Tegan, Australia says :

    Hi Muertos,
    I’ve now watched this movie twice in entirety and I think it brings many things together in a very professional, accessible package, regardless of Gamble’s background and regardless of some interviewees dissasociating themselves afterward. I take issue with your statement above:

    “Although global warming denial is not addressed in Thrive except very briefly, I’m planning to do an article debunking global warming denial, because Foster Gamble has made clear that he denies the scientific reality of anthropogenic global warming, and because I feel very strongly that this issue is the single most important issue facing the world today–and it is an issue that most Thrive fans simply don’t believe exists. Here is a prime example of how harmful and destructive this movie and the conspiracy milieu surrounding it really is.

    Global warming is also the most pressing issue for me. I picked up through watching that Thrive was very close to denying man-made climate change. However they made it clear that they are still supporting renewable energy/free energy and decreasing pollution through that, which in the end is one of the main ways we remedy climate change.

    It’s interesting that you are putting everyone who agrees with the more ‘New Age’ concepts in one camp, with those who are ‘right-wing’ and ‘climate change deniers’. This is funny – in Australia, you don’t find right-wingers in the same category as people with more open minds toward metaphysical concepts.

    I think you’re categorising people too much and stereotyping. I think there’s a lot of truth in this movie. And I still want to take action on climate change. However I wouldn’t want to debunk the whole movie just because of the implied denial of climate change.

    And why is it that so many progressive, environmental, left-wing thinkers are afraid about being open-minded about such concepts as spirituality, existence of ETs and possible involvement of earth’s history, and anything that can’t be measured in scientific terms?

    I’ll never understand it.

  25. Thrive Virgin revived says :

    I just watched this movie last night and was told about it yesterday afternoon with no prior knowledge of it’s existence. This put me in the position of being a true “Thrive Virgin” (Yes, that’s a technical term I just made up and pulled out of my ass which seems appropriate considering the circumstances). I’ve got a snazzy high resolution iMac and a nice sound system so the beginning of the movie hit me like an avalanche of mind boggling imagery. Its interesting that these little red flags kept coming up for me while watching the film but overall I thought that the intentions of the film makers were honest albeit somewhat misinformed and simplistic.
    Now doing the follow up on their claims its very clear that their intentions were never honest and naive but instead were wrapped around an agenda no different than the “good” people who take in whole cloth philosophies like Scientology. Speaking from experience I can tell you that Scientology is not a whack cult in its entirety and that’s what makes it so dangerous. I learned a lot of valuable stuff while involved in my studies but it took me some time to realize that the glaring red flags I had all along seen in Scientology were not “mistakes” but were carefully crafted to be part of the overall agenda.
    The makers of Thrive claim that it has taken decades for them to come to the conclusions they have reached yet it took me just one hour of reading posts on this thread and the above article (thanks guys!) to see that my Thrive red flags have nothing to do with naivety on the part of the filmmakers but are instead indicators of their true intentions and objectives which are clearly something different than they propound.
    Scientology is one hell of a creepy organization as a cult but from an entry level can seem to be benign and beneficial. The movie Thrive is the entry level of these people’s agenda and now I’m very interested to dig in a lot deeper and see what the carefully crafted Thrive cult as a whole is all about.

    • muertos says :

      Thrive Virgin, thank you very much for this comment. It’s statements like these that validate all the work I and others have put into this blog. You are, in fact, the audience we’re intending to reach–someone who hears about the film, has no real previous background in New Age or conspiracy, is motivated to take a look, and contemporaneously discovers the debunking and uses it as a tool to evaluate the film upon first exposure.

      I’m really glad that we could help you.

  26. LynetteB says :

    Thank You for this site. I have many, many friends and acquaintances that are thoroughly enamoured with Thrive and similar movies (I cannot in good conscience call them “films’), and while I have a lot of knowledge and social-media skills that can easily discredit the claims made in these films, until now I didn’t have anything to specifically address this film in particular.

    I’ve been a left-wing progressive activist for over 25 years and have been looking forward to ‘passing the torch’ to my younger peers because I’m pretty burnt-out, but I am both disheartened and thoroughly alarmed that most of them are blindly buying into this right-wing libertarian crap disguised as “enlightenment”. I agree with an earlier commenter that it is highly-manufactured to suit a specific agenda – in fact, I think the right-wing has done an exceptional job of beating us long-time independent-media advocates at our own game! Anyway, I have been so thoroughly disgusted by my friends’ relentless belief in and forwarding of this kind of disinformation that I actually started unfriending them all on facebook – I couldn’t in good conscience sit by while I saw them posting crap-after-crap article (and drawing in others), but I also couldn’t continue wasting hours upon hours on facebook debunking the articles they posted, only be ignored or ridiculed by their other friends (yes, I too have been accused of “workin’ for the man”, etc.!). Enough was enough, and I have more important things to do that have my energy – pun intended – sucked out of me.

    I should note, it’s not all bad: I have managed to convince at least a handful of them to more critically assess these things in the future, and am proud to have contributed to their improved media-literacy, including taking it upon themselves to inform others when they see what they now recognize as crap. It’s good knowing I have allies on this front. Thanks & Cheers! L.

  27. suzannetaylor says :

    There’s more astonishment from Foster and KImberly: http://theconversation.org/blog/update-on-thrive-from-kimberly-and-foster-gamble.org

  28. Obama Michelle says :

    As long as these debunkers don’t sue Foster Gamble in an open public court for defamation which is a legitimate forum to resolve issues in front of the entire public eyes, then these debunkers are merely paid disinformants working for their faceless masters for pennies.

    Also, stop debunking a few of the topics here and there and conveniently claimed that you have debunked the entire movie.
    It’s like saying because you watched 1 minute of an NBA game, then you already watched the remaining 4 quarters which is a complete lie.

    It’s time NWO owners hire better paid disinformants than those who runs this blog.

    Sad but true story.

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